LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL

Adaptive cruise control and LCA are useful but still have glitches that I find annoying. If I am coming to a place where cars are turning in a turn lane in front of me I cancel it until I pass otherwise my truck overreacts and hits the brakes to much. That is not anywhere near a self driving car. Which I for one will never be in. Call me a luddite, I don't mind.
I know what you mean, I learned this on my last car, but instead of canceling the CC I just gently put my foot on the gas pedal which will override the CC breaks. With a light touch drag will slow the car down and you can adjust from there. Then you can lift off the gas and the system will take back over without having to push any buttons on the wheel.
 
I found the LTA worked perfectly on I5, but doesn’t like certain sections of my daily highway commute… I keep my fingers lightly on the steering wheel when using it anyway, but I just disable LTA for those sections.

My only other real complaint is it isn’t always that smooth on curving roads — but otherwise it’s a fantastic feature to have. I feel like it reduces driver fatigue on longer drives.
 
I said goodbye to my 2016 JKUR wrangler that was built for off road and had so many bells and whistles I added to it.
It was an off road beast. But at 25k I had to replace the valve body in the trans.
(Warranty) and then another around 30k
(Warranty) it seemed fine but always made me nervous when something would let me down. When the LC 250 arrived I had fallen in love with the looks. I bought mine on Father’s Day 2024 and drove it home. Had a lot of work to do to sell the Jeep with 44k on it to pay down the 1958 LC. I know it’s not as HD as the
“Real” Land Cruiser's. But I never liked the 200 series- it was just a big plain SUV
(That I couldn’t afford anyway). I have 10k on it now and hope it lasts me 20 years . It is way nicer to drive than the Jeep around town, it is more comfortable and powerful than the 3.6 (285hp/260lb/ft). I can tow a 4k Nest fiberglass trailer without revving it out. The 8 speed transmission is sweet compared to the jeep’s 5 speed.
I considered a diesel JL and didn’t seriously consider the hemi jeep($$$).
And watching YouTube many people are complaining about troubles with the V8 jeep. I compromised my off road abilities for comfort and reliability (I hope) I’m 58 years old and this is my first Toyota…
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I said goodbye to my 2016 JKUR wrangler that was built for off road and had so many bells and whistles I added to it.
It was an off road beast. But at 25k I had to replace the valve body in the trans.
(Warranty) and then another around 30k
(Warranty) it seemed fine but always made me nervous when something would let me down. When the LC 250 arrived I had fallen in love with the looks. I bought mine on Father’s Day 2024 and drove it home. Had a lot of work to do to sell the Jeep with 44k on it to pay down the 1958 LC. I know it’s not as HD as the
“Real” Land Cruiser's. But I never liked the 200 series- it was just a big plain SUV
(That I couldn’t afford anyway). I have 10k on it now and hope it lasts me 20 years . It is way nicer to drive than the Jeep around town, it is more comfortable and powerful than the 3.6 (285hp/260lb/ft). I can tow a 4k Nest fiberglass trailer without revving it out. The 8 speed transmission is sweet compared to the jeep’s 5 speed.
I considered a diesel JL and didn’t seriously consider the hemi jeep($$$).
And watching YouTube many people are complaining about troubles with the V8 jeep. I compromised my off road abilities for comfort and reliability (I hope) I’m 58 years old and this is my first Toyota…View attachment 46696
My last 3 vehicles were Wranglers and I bought a LC 4 months ago. I absolutely love it. I just got tired of the rough ride, wind noise and lack of comfort in the Jeep. Congrats on the LC and enjoy the new ride!
 
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Just to update this thread the 15% tariff on vehicles manufactured in Japan went into effect August 1.
 
I said goodbye to my 2016 JKUR wrangler that was built for off road and had so many bells and whistles I added to it.
It was an off road beast. But at 25k I had to replace the valve body in the trans.
(Warranty) and then another around 30k
(Warranty) it seemed fine but always made me nervous when something would let me down. When the LC 250 arrived I had fallen in love with the looks. I bought mine on Father’s Day 2024 and drove it home. Had a lot of work to do to sell the Jeep with 44k on it to pay down the 1958 LC. I know it’s not as HD as the
“Real” Land Cruiser's. But I never liked the 200 series- it was just a big plain SUV
(That I couldn’t afford anyway). I have 10k on it now and hope it lasts me 20 years . It is way nicer to drive than the Jeep around town, it is more comfortable and powerful than the 3.6 (285hp/260lb/ft). I can tow a 4k Nest fiberglass trailer without revving it out. The 8 speed transmission is sweet compared to the jeep’s 5 speed.
I considered a diesel JL and didn’t seriously consider the hemi jeep($$$).
And watching YouTube many people are complaining about troubles with the V8 jeep. I compromised my off road abilities for comfort and reliability (I hope) I’m 58 years old and this is my first Toyota…View attachment 46696
Welcome. That jeep looks sweet. I thought about one but opted for the LC and very happy with mine. I hope the LC serves you well. I have a question about the 3 small attached photos from your post. It appears you have a bumper modification that retains the OEM look but I think I see a winch in one of them along with some new lights. Can you tell us about the bumper and what you did?
 
First off this is not a troll thread, because I personally own a LC 250 First Edition that I purchased in October.

Before buying my LC 250 First edition I did some/a lot of research via YouTube and written articles and I test drove 3 different LC 250’s, plus I test drove a GX 550, so in fairness I knew what I was getting myself into. I did a fairly in depth review on my LC 250 Likes and dislikes probably 1 month ago. And my stance has not changed. I pretty much really like/love the LC 250 but there are 2 things I really hate = fuel economy and 18 gallon tank. Everything else I really like. I know it’s better off road than the 200 series LC and I personally likes the looks better.

Here comes the unfortunate downfall of the LC 250 and unfortunately it really is not fair, but it’s the world we live in today and that undoing is YOUTUBE and SOCIAL MEDIA. Let’s be honest the social media automotive industry, and I call them social media automotive industry for a reason because they are not journalists like they think they are, has really hurt the LC 250, along with Toyota/lexus brand in general. If You where to take a full day and just do a lot of research via YouTube, written articles, and utilize other sources like article comments, the general consensus from reviewers and consumers is far more negative than positive. For Example lets look at the common summary they you will hear from most consumers and reviewers of the LC 250 =

1) not a real Landcruiser.

2) cheaply built compared to the LC 200 and other SUV’S.

3) The GX is far better and is the REAL Landcruiser.

4) terrible engine choice to put in a Landcruiser

5) This is a Prado = light duty cheap Landcruiser

6) The vehicle sounds “ Tinty” and cheaply made

7) Ground clearance is terrible and it is better on the LC 200, although after climbing underneath mine I found that my lowest ground clearance is 10 inches with no lift and BFG KO3’S 275 R 18’S. I guess I can not read a ruler or maybe I got lucky with the build on mine.

8) Fuel economy is terrible.

9) small fuel tank

10 ) Terrible acceleration

11) way to expensive for a cheaply made vehicle.

12) How could Toyota put a Rav 4 engine in a Landcruiser.

Do I agree with sentiments ? NO. The only points I agree with are the fuel economy and the small fuel tank. But unfortunately social media , especially YouTube, has really done damage to the LC 250 in terms of initial reputation and perception. It’s even to a point where LC 200 owners literally piss on LC 250 owners and GX 550 owners do the same. It’s really a shame because it is actually just dividing the brand even more and slowly eroding the existing values and potential resale values in the toilet. But unfortunately this social media hate isn’t just on the LC 250 , it’s on a lot of Toyota/lexus products today = LX 600, GX 550, TUNDRA, TACOMA, and the new 4 Runner . They are all getting trashed badly and although you would not think it could effect future values of vehicles, it most certainly can and it does today, and resale value has always been a strong point of Toyota/lexus. I will illustrate how perception and YouTube effected 1 particular Toyota model, in this case for the better. The LC 200. Prior to Covid you could walk into a Toyota dealership and if they had a new LC 200 on the with a MSRP of $ 86,000.00 you could walk out of the dealership purchasing that vehicle for around $ 77,000.00. Once covid hit and Toyota announced the end of the V-8 Landcruiser and rumors started to surface about a possible Hybrid Landcruiser a 2020/2021 Landcruiser with 40,000 miles was selling for $ 85,000.00 and guess what, people are actually bragging about paying that price for a “ REAL LANDCRUISER” . By the time these people purchase a warranty and put cool looking off road tires on their “ real Landcruiser “ they have $ 100,000.00 in a used 40,000 mile LC 200, but the LC 250 at $ 58,000 to $ 76,000 ( first edition ) is to expensive. Hence the power of social media.

If social media can effect a presidential election like it did in 2020, it can most certainly effect vehicle values. I’m kind of a nerd with stats, but what really boggles my mind is a company like Ford rolls out Recalls literally every other day and in a lot of cases there is better value in buying a Ford vehicle than a Toyota/lexus and just think 5-10 years ago you never would have seen this. And you very rarely see a negative review on a Ford vehicle, especially the Ford performance variants like Raptors and mustangs. Amazing.

I know that’s a long thread but after looking at some values and actual numbers in correspondence with timelines with the recent Toyota/Lexus hate, you know the old saying, NUMBERS DON’T LIE.

I actually think Toyota/lexus still builds a quality vehicle and in most cases builds a much better vehicle than the big 3, but resale and value and social media reviews are telling a different story. Personally I think Toyota should have named the LC 250 the new FJ cruiser, I think that would quieted a lot of the mass hysteria because unfortunately a lot of United States consumers do not have a clue how important the LC 250 prado is to the Landcruiser lineage and history.

Although I will have to honestly say if I was to reverse the timeframe to October and do it all over again , I probably would have opted for a Ford Raptor R just based on value for dollar because there is no comparison. Unfortunately Toyota/Lexus vehicles do not hold the same values or desirability as they did pre COVID and I really don’t think they ever will again.

Yes, YouTube and social media has become extremely powerful.
Here in Australia there was some negative reviews initially as we have the same 2.8 litre diesel as the earlier Prado 150 and they reduced the fuel tank to 110 as they put the spare under the vehicle, the biggest complaint was the box that covers the mild hybrid system which took up too much space in some models ( not mine as I have the Altitude). Most of the negativity has died down as the aftermarket manufacturers have really come up with some great alternatives as well as remapping the computer for more performance for different applications. I haven’t bothered with any of these except for airbags in the rear coils for towing a 2.5 tonne van. Without the van I am getting 9 litres per 100 kms and towing around 16 - 17 litres / 100 kms.
Hey I am still smiling after buying mine as I couldn’t be happier.
 
Most YouTube talk is worthless.
Real video and story from Australia in this video speaks volumes. Long. You can start at 45min in, but really the whole thing is excellent and will tell you a lot about the 250.
 
I’m not sure who or where this was posted but I have a download that comes from the Toyota corporation called Toyota Technical Review and their role in a “Circular Economy”.
https://global.toyota/pages/global_...ta-technical-review/TTR_Vol70-1_E.pdf#page=35

It’s a long, technical read, but worth it if you’re a Toyota fan. It helps to understand why Toyota is building their trucks the way they are, now.

I forgot to add earlier, info about the LC250 starts on page 35.
 
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Most YouTube talk is worthless.
Real video and story from Australia in this video speaks volumes. Long. You can start at 45min in, but really the whole thing is excellent and will tell you a lot about the 250.

Some people will do anything for a beer.. 🤭🤣
 
I’m not sure who or where this was posted but I have a download that comes from the Toyota corporation called Toyota Technical Review and their role in a “Circular Economy”.
https://global.toyota/pages/global_...ta-technical-review/TTR_Vol70-1_E.pdf#page=35

It’s a long, technical read, but worth it if you’re a Toyota fan. It helps to understand why Toyota is building their trucks the way they are, now.

I forgot to add earlier, info about the LC250 starts on page 35.
That’s a great read, starting on page 35!
 
First off this is not a troll thread, because I personally own a LC 250 First Edition that I purchased in October.

Before buying my LC 250 First edition I did some/a lot of research via YouTube and written articles and I test drove 3 different LC 250’s, plus I test drove a GX 550, so in fairness I knew what I was getting myself into. I did a fairly in depth review on my LC 250 Likes and dislikes probably 1 month ago. And my stance has not changed. I pretty much really like/love the LC 250 but there are 2 things I really hate = fuel economy and 18 gallon tank. Everything else I really like. I know it’s better off road than the 200 series LC and I personally likes the looks better.

Here comes the unfortunate downfall of the LC 250 and unfortunately it really is not fair, but it’s the world we live in today and that undoing is YOUTUBE and SOCIAL MEDIA. Let’s be honest the social media automotive industry, and I call them social media automotive industry for a reason because they are not journalists like they think they are, has really hurt the LC 250, along with Toyota/lexus brand in general. If You where to take a full day and just do a lot of research via YouTube, written articles, and utilize other sources like article comments, the general consensus from reviewers and consumers is far more negative than positive. For Example lets look at the common summary they you will hear from most consumers and reviewers of the LC 250 =

1) not a real Landcruiser.

2) cheaply built compared to the LC 200 and other SUV’S.

3) The GX is far better and is the REAL Landcruiser.

4) terrible engine choice to put in a Landcruiser

5) This is a Prado = light duty cheap Landcruiser

6) The vehicle sounds “ Tinty” and cheaply made

7) Ground clearance is terrible and it is better on the LC 200, although after climbing underneath mine I found that my lowest ground clearance is 10 inches with no lift and BFG KO3’S 275 R 18’S. I guess I can not read a ruler or maybe I got lucky with the build on mine.

8) Fuel economy is terrible.

9) small fuel tank

10 ) Terrible acceleration

11) way to expensive for a cheaply made vehicle.

12) How could Toyota put a Rav 4 engine in a Landcruiser.

Do I agree with sentiments ? NO. The only points I agree with are the fuel economy and the small fuel tank. But unfortunately social media , especially YouTube, has really done damage to the LC 250 in terms of initial reputation and perception. It’s even to a point where LC 200 owners literally piss on LC 250 owners and GX 550 owners do the same. It’s really a shame because it is actually just dividing the brand even more and slowly eroding the existing values and potential resale values in the toilet. But unfortunately this social media hate isn’t just on the LC 250 , it’s on a lot of Toyota/lexus products today = LX 600, GX 550, TUNDRA, TACOMA, and the new 4 Runner . They are all getting trashed badly and although you would not think it could effect future values of vehicles, it most certainly can and it does today, and resale value has always been a strong point of Toyota/lexus. I will illustrate how perception and YouTube effected 1 particular Toyota model, in this case for the better. The LC 200. Prior to Covid you could walk into a Toyota dealership and if they had a new LC 200 on the with a MSRP of $ 86,000.00 you could walk out of the dealership purchasing that vehicle for around $ 77,000.00. Once covid hit and Toyota announced the end of the V-8 Landcruiser and rumors started to surface about a possible Hybrid Landcruiser a 2020/2021 Landcruiser with 40,000 miles was selling for $ 85,000.00 and guess what, people are actually bragging about paying that price for a “ REAL LANDCRUISER” . By the time these people purchase a warranty and put cool looking off road tires on their “ real Landcruiser “ they have $ 100,000.00 in a used 40,000 mile LC 200, but the LC 250 at $ 58,000 to $ 76,000 ( first edition ) is to expensive. Hence the power of social media.

If social media can effect a presidential election like it did in 2020, it can most certainly effect vehicle values. I’m kind of a nerd with stats, but what really boggles my mind is a company like Ford rolls out Recalls literally every other day and in a lot of cases there is better value in buying a Ford vehicle than a Toyota/lexus and just think 5-10 years ago you never would have seen this. And you very rarely see a negative review on a Ford vehicle, especially the Ford performance variants like Raptors and mustangs. Amazing.

I know that’s a long thread but after looking at some values and actual numbers in correspondence with timelines with the recent Toyota/Lexus hate, you know the old saying, NUMBERS DON’T LIE.

I actually think Toyota/lexus still builds a quality vehicle and in most cases builds a much better vehicle than the big 3, but resale and value and social media reviews are telling a different story. Personally I think Toyota should have named the LC 250 the new FJ cruiser, I think that would quieted a lot of the mass hysteria because unfortunately a lot of United States consumers do not have a clue how important the LC 250 prado is to the Landcruiser lineage and history.

Although I will have to honestly say if I was to reverse the timeframe to October and do it all over again , I probably would have opted for a Ford Raptor R just based on value for dollar because there is no comparison. Unfortunately Toyota/Lexus vehicles do not hold the same values or desirability as they did pre COVID and I really don’t think they ever will again.

Yes, YouTube and social media has become extremely powerful.
Does Social media like anything? You don't go there for warm fuzzy moments. Just another mankind failure leading to ever more hatred and aggressiveness. And the irony is, if you dislike any thing , you are a hater...yet typically the very context of "their" discussion is what they hate and need to improve....let's say sound deadening as a recent example................I thought it overkill having come out of a 110K Range Rover and being quite happy with my new LC........esp once crossbars removed which I did not have on the RR full time either.
 
I live in a smaller town in Wyoming at the edge of a mountain range. People drive 4WD vehicles here. We have a Toyota dealer. Over that past few weeks, I've noticed a ton of new Land Cruisers, which is interesting because the dealer rarely has any on the lot. I also noticed that a fellow I know must have traded in his Land Rover LR4 for a new LC. He'd been driving Rovers for many years, even though the dealer is 400 miles away. The new 4Runners are trickling in and showing up as well. 4Runners are very common here too. A few of the more well-heeled folks had/have LC200s, some Lexus GX versions (that dealer is also 400 miles away), and a fair share of Sequoias as family haulers.

My take on all this is that, in an area where off-road and bad-weather vehicles are a necessity, the LC250 is doing very well.

Yes, the fuel economy is horrible; my F-150 Tremor is better. Ditto the small fuel tank. However, on a long road trip, it isn't that difficult to fill up every time one stops for food or a bathroom.

Lastly, I have no idea why the social media folks are criticizing the engine power or the nanny electronics. All new vehicles have the nanny electronics, all with varying degrees of annoyance. As for power, the LC250 has 465 lb-ft of torque. It pulls up hills, even at high altitude, without an issue. Sure the engine sounds terrible, but it works.
 
I live in a smaller town in Wyoming at the edge of a mountain range. People drive 4WD vehicles here. We have a Toyota dealer. Over that past few weeks, I've noticed a ton of new Land Cruisers, which is interesting because the dealer rarely has any on the lot. I also noticed that a fellow I know must have traded in his Land Rover LR4 for a new LC. He'd been driving Rovers for many years, even though the dealer is 400 miles away. The new 4Runners are trickling in and showing up as well. 4Runners are very common here too. A few of the more well-heeled folks had/have LC200s, some Lexus GX versions (that dealer is also 400 miles away), and a fair share of Sequoias as family haulers.

My take on all this is that, in an area where off-road and bad-weather vehicles are a necessity, the LC250 is doing very well.

Yes, the fuel economy is horrible; my F-150 Tremor is better. Ditto the small fuel tank. However, on a long road trip, it isn't that difficult to fill up every time one stops for food or a bathroom.

Lastly, I have no idea why the social media folks are criticizing the engine power or the nanny electronics. All new vehicles have the nanny electronics, all with varying degrees of annoyance. As for power, the LC250 has 465 lb-ft of torque. It pulls up hills, even at high altitude, without an issue. Sure the engine sounds terrible, but it works.
I find the torque on the new LC to be amazing. I love how it just pulls up hill without screaming into a low gear like my 5gen 4Runner. I do hope the transmission issues will be resolved as I am now officially in that camp awaiting word as to when a new transmission will be available. Love the truck despite the small tank. It is comfortable to drive and the Class 6 roads that I've taken it on were nothing for the vehicle. It's a great truck and I hope the 1st year release issues are resolved quickly.
 
Any newly introduced higher priced product is always met with criticism. Everything from higher end vehicles, boats, air planes, watches, down to vacuum cleaners. Very common.

In the year 2025, does anyone who is bright enough to afford and pay for high end products really take anything written on social media as even remotely true or accurate?
 
If I told you the new Land Cruiser had a V8 that made 326 hp and 465 lb-ft of torque. Would you call the engine small and tiny sounding?

As to it’s not a real Land Cruiser…. What does that even mean… ? What’s more important for off roading… HP or Torque? As to the new off road assistant systems. Pretty sure it has gotten a few off road newbies out of trouble.



200 Series (2008–2021): The Benchmark "Older" Land Cruiser


  • Engine: 5.7L 3UR-FE V8
  • Horsepower: 381 hp @ 5,600 rpm
  • Torque: 401 lb-ft @ 3,600 rpm
  • Notes: Paired with a 6- or 8-speed automatic transmission and full-time 4WD. This setup delivered strong low-end pull for off-roading and towing (up to 8,200 lbs), though fuel economy was modest at 13–17 mpg.
New Land Cruiser

  • · Performance: 326 hp and 465 lb-ft of torque, paired with an 8-speed automatic transmission and full-time 4WD with low-range gearing.
  • · Fuel Economy: EPA-rated 22 mpg city / 25 mpg highway / 23 mpg combined— a big improvement over the prior V8's 13–17 mpg.
I don’t know about you but I’m lucky to get 19.5 mpg. Pretty sure the old V8 never made 17 mpg either.


So, your kinda right, this is not a “real” old Land Cruiser, It’s been reengineered… Better in a lot of ways, no so in others… Ie. Gas Tank and Interior storage… and lying about the Mpg.

Just enjoy the extra Torque and the lack of turbo lag!
 
If today, a friend asked me if they should buy an LC and I knew they’d never had a Toyota or any other hybrid vehicle, I’d tell them no. Toyota has always been a company that looks forward and develops new technology and Japan itself has always (In recent times, anyway) looked for ways to minimize their footprint on the world. They explain in detail why they use as much plastic and other “recyclables” in their products. If you can’t accept these Toyota values, then you could be setting yourself up for failure when you buy certain Toyota vehicles.

We can shake our fists at the environmental laws and rules and blame politicians and whomever we blame for stepping on our freedoms to produce as much toxic waste as possible, but in the end, I say: don’t buy it, turn it in, save yourself some heartache if this truck makes you (no one in particular) unhappy.

I tend to over analyze everything I’ve ever said and done and I feel that’s why we come to this forum, to get some answers and maybe a little support that we made the right decision in our vehicle purchase. New technologies always have some growing pains, and, I’ll bet more money than I have, the big three “American” auto companies have something to do with all the negative press that’s directed at Toyota right now. They’d love nothing more than to knock Toyota down a peg or two.

I’m still waiting to hear back when I can take mine in for the brake TSB, the parts are on order. Meanwhile, I spent a fair amount of time cleaning the mud off of my truck this weekend. 😁
 
Stellantis aka RAM can't get rid of their 2500 vehicles. Dinosaurs from a previous era, weigh as much as a dinosaur also.
GM esp the Chevy line is an esthetic nightmare with motor issues as well
Ford was wise IMHO to lighten up and go aluminum but at the end of the day, they are still huge trucks

Toyota did the research that showed that, as much as the owners loved them....there just weren't that many owners. I am going that big and pricey, I might as well go land Rover or Range Rover for the Lexus crowd. Face it, they do carry panache.

Toyota said we have to get back to our roots and stop making everything bigger (IMHO THE SINGLE BIGGEST ISSUE PLAGUING THE ENTIRE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY ESP THE EUROPEANS , I'M LOOKING AT YOU GERMANY). The new Land Cruiser is the sleeper hit in the Toyota lineup. I have yet to see anyone see the vehicle that isn't highly impressed with the styling, comfort, pretty much everything. The Cammisas of the world are getting paid to bitch.........probably closet Toyota envy........

My first Toyota and I AM IMPRESSED!!!!:cool:
 
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Does Social media like anything? You don't go there for warm fuzzy moments. Just another mankind failure leading to ever more hatred and aggressiveness. And the irony is, if you dislike any thing , you are a hater...yet typically the very context of "their" discussion is what they hate and need to improve....let's say sound deadening as a recent example................I thought it overkill having come out of a 110K Range Rover and being quite happy with my new LC........esp once crossbars removed which I did not have on the RR full time either.
Completely agree. Coming from BMW X5. Much happier with the LC. The engine hate is strictly from folks who can’t wrap their head around a 4 cylinder engine in a vehicle this size. The hybrid assist gives it plenty of power. Getting 20mpg (yes, you don’t get the estimated mileage once you switch to bigger tires) is pretty good for a vehicle of this size. Performs very capably off road. The nature of social media is that negativity seems to garner more hits. If that’s what floats your boat, have at it. Do I have quibbles such as fuel tank size? Sure. Overall, I find it to be a very capable off roader that does well on the highway too.
 
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