I couldn't even begin to imagine myself sitting in a vehicle that drives itself. Especially an off road vehicle.
LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL
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One of my favorite unexpected features of the J250 are the self-driving features. When I'm in crawling interstate traffic and TJA turns on it’s amazing.I couldn't even begin to imagine myself sitting in a vehicle that drives itself. Especially an off road vehicle.
First time this happened to me I was like "wow, this is very awesome!"
Adaptive cruise control and LCA are useful but still have glitches that I find annoying. If I am coming to a place where cars are turning in a turn lane in front of me I cancel it until I pass otherwise my truck overreacts and hits the brakes to much. That is not anywhere near a self driving car. Which I for one will never be in. Call me a luddite, I don't mind.
As I'm in my late 70's I find the adaptive cruise control can help put you to sleep. With all the automation you don't have to drive that much anymore. I am not a fan of self drivers. Too many chances to get brake checked. I truly like the smoothness of the LC though. I am not certain the LC will completely stop in traffic. I chicken out and hit the brakes as it slows down as it approaches a stopped vehicle.
I feel the same, I worry about being lulled into less attentiveness. I've never liked cruise control on any car (before or after adaptive). I'm intrigued by the TJA, but also am too conservative to give it a full trial in "non-operational" conditions. Used to be you could use traffic cones for training high performance driving (still can) but I imagine the Adaptive Cruise Control needs something more substantial.
Who cares what other people think. Be yourself.
The one you're in now drives itself. It just foolishly asks you to wiggle the steering wheel every 20 seconds or so. I want a vehicle that will drive the highway to the mountains, then let me take over and drive the trails and obstacles.I couldn't even begin to imagine myself sitting in a vehicle that drives itself. Especially an off road vehicle.
I feel like the technology is already in the vehicle, it just needs the software to utilize it.
Just got back from a 2 week trip to UT and AZ in a Sprinter. I was pretty whipped by the end of some 8 hour days of driving. No features at all (other than non-adaptive cruise control), and it's a beast to handle in gusty crosswinds. I was wondering everyday how much easier it would have been in the LC. I get the 'lulled to sleep/inattentiveness' fear, but the reality is the LC is just much less fatiguing to drive over long distances (and safer!) with all the new gadgets.
Totally agree — it’s a huge strong point of this vehicle. I just did a long drive from Florida to Utah, towing an off-road trailer, 10–12 hours a day. I came from a 4x4 Sprinter RV that was totaled, and the difference in driver fatigue and comfort between the Sprinter and the LC is night and day.
One of my favorite things about the LC is how it gets you there safely and comfortably, then handles business on the trail. I think this vehicle is underrated by a lot of people and it will separate from the pack with time. I recently sat in a 4Runner while servicing the LC and was very underwhelmed — it felt much more comparable to my ’24 Tacoma in terms of design, trim level, and fit and finish.
I also recently drove the Tacoma on a five-hour trip and was so ready to be done. Totally different experience in the LC.
I gave the adaptive cc a try last week on a moderate to lightly populated freeway. It actually worked very well. I do find the "bumper guard" effect of the lane centering a tad irritating, and as others have mentioned I feel about 6-10 inches too far in the right of my lane (I imagine Toyota was biasing against head on collisions at the expense of crowding drivers to your right...but now that I think about it, is the software the same or reversed in Japan since they drive on the left?).
That being said, it did serve to keep me more alert than a full self-driving car would and was still less effort. I was particularly impressed by the responsiveness and display graphics when someone cut in front of me (I'm currently trying the "two panels" of distance in the system and it feels about right); the system responded as quickly as I would have from the time the car started cutting into my lane. I think that's the one thing these systems haven't achieved yet; I've got 40 years of driving experience and can usually "feel" when someone is about to make a shift / move. The software can't do that yet so I feel the response is "delayed" but it was actually more than sufficient.
I also used the TJA function and found it works as advertised, even in the 20-25 mph zone where the braking required was more significant. I was hovering over the brake pedal the whole time, so it was actually more stressful than just driving, but I wanted to know the system limits. I think TJA is a great capability in literal slow speed stop and go such as an urban traffic jam or when there's been a pile up ahead of you on the freeway.
That being said, it did serve to keep me more alert than a full self-driving car would and was still less effort. I was particularly impressed by the responsiveness and display graphics when someone cut in front of me (I'm currently trying the "two panels" of distance in the system and it feels about right); the system responded as quickly as I would have from the time the car started cutting into my lane. I think that's the one thing these systems haven't achieved yet; I've got 40 years of driving experience and can usually "feel" when someone is about to make a shift / move. The software can't do that yet so I feel the response is "delayed" but it was actually more than sufficient.
I also used the TJA function and found it works as advertised, even in the 20-25 mph zone where the braking required was more significant. I was hovering over the brake pedal the whole time, so it was actually more stressful than just driving, but I wanted to know the system limits. I think TJA is a great capability in literal slow speed stop and go such as an urban traffic jam or when there's been a pile up ahead of you on the freeway.
I feel the same way about the LCA lane centering assist option. Feels a bit like those cars on tracks rides that I used to go on as a kid at Disneyland etc. where you can sort of steer.
The wide range of safety features on the LC was the determining factor for me in buying one. Going from a 2022 Grand Cherokee has felt like I went light years into the future. While it's not quite GM Super Cruise, it is a really robust offering. The auto braking is a wonderful feature I use all the time, and I drive pretty much hands-free on the highway with a slight tug every 15 seconds. Lane centering is a great feature as well. Can't wait for even greater technology on new models in a few years.
I always find that so bizarre when I can already tell somebody is about to do the most boneheaded thing possible before they do it. I’m not sure if it’s experience driving situational awareness, or some subconscious sense of self preservation. It’s almost like you can see the physical moves the person is making to turn the wheel even though they’re inside the car & you can’t really see them.
You are not a Luddite. You’re just awake enough to see things for what they are.
Coming from a 2015 long wheel base, extended body, tall roof Transit 350.. I hear ya. It is so much less tiring to drive Miss Daisy than it was the beast. Every now and then, I have to drive ‘the beast’ somewhere, and I am shocked back into the reality of it being so antiquated.
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Negative reviews seem to currently get more traction on YouTube and other social channels. I did an analysis of a creator that did a bunch of LC content in the past few months. All his videos basically look the same, so it's not going to be "quality" that moves the needle with his views. From his last 10 LC-specific videos, the negative titles added up to 285,000 views. His neutral AND positive titles added together did 187,000 views total. That's a pretty significant difference.
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They are much more balanced and insightful, have consistent comparisons, an interesting mix of vehicles, and a nice combination of reviews and long format road trips or relevant applications of the vehicles.
Congrats on your good work and hopefully you get lots of subscribers from this forum
