LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL

[Pierac]

I think maybe you thought I was referring to the 250. Read my post again, maybe?



Right?

Sorry, your right.... I went with the thread....

LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL​

 

[URJ200]

Sorry, your right.... I went with the thread....

LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL​

No worries!

 

[URJ200]

Moving past mere dimensions it is 300-500lbs heavier. and that is only because of the weight of the hybrid battery packs. If youwere in a non hybrid market it would be 500-800lbs lighter. That's a lot of peanuts...............

I agree. 500-800lbs probably makes a big difference off-road.

Although, I was looking over the weight differences between the 5th Gen 4Runner and the LC250 (my teenage son has expressed interest in both of these vehicles). I want to say that the hybrid variant of the LC250 is around 600 pounds heavier than the 5th Gen 4Runner.

Any of you guys that have had both, what are your thoughts? Would you agree with @Sugarloafer80 that the extra 600lbs that the 250 has on the 4Runner is a big detriment to the 250's off-road performance compared to the 4Runner's off-road performance?

 

[DubDub]

Absolutely insane, right? I mean, the 1.87 kWh traction battery can't way more than... what? 20lbs? Maybe 120 lbs?

I just don’t get the need for much comparison or hatred for either vehicle. They aren’t the same. One is gone from the states for a reason, and the other is what we have. I want a 70 series, and by my personal standards it represents the only real real LC out there.

I think the dimension argument might actually be in support of a counterargument to your point though. I think the 250 is a worthy successor if it were not for the lack of a rear seat. The LC/Prado split started very insignificant, and I actually think the 250 closes the margin again. I’ve driven 40’s, 60’s, and 100’s in the states, and I had a long-term 70 series for a period while out in the middle east. This may not be a true LC from the lens of a 200 owner, but it certainly feels like on when compared to anything else that came before. Even the displacement and cylinder count is in line with past offerings.

Size and dimension aside, no one can claim that the LC had not become too dated and bloated for the NA market… or at the very least to much so to market it in the U.S. I mean zero disrespect to you or the 200, I love those things and often wish I had just pulled the trigger on one over all of the TRD Pro Tacos and 4Rs we went through. My wife just didn’t see it like I did.

 

[URJ200]

This may not be a true LC from the lens of a 200 owner, but it certainly feels like on when compared to anything else that came before.

Hey, whatever Toyota calls a Land Cruiser, is a Land Cruiser, if you ask me.

 

[DubDub]

Any of you guys that have had both, what are your thoughts? Would you agree with @Sugarloafer80 that the extra 600lbs that the 250 has on the 4Runner is a big detriment to the 250's off-road performance compared to the 4Runner's off-road performance?

I can answer IRT my own personal experience having owned a 5G TRD Pro and LTD. The answer is a solid no.

 

[Sugarloafer80]

99% of the hatred is social media derived. To those of us arguing nuances, as my 1st Toyota, and first time I ever considered one, ironically based on dealer proximity to my soon to be retirement home, I feel I nailed it!!! 60000+ sales from a prior 2000-/yr says it all.

Hatred often equals ignorance

 

[RideWithYanu]

I agree. 500-800lbs probably makes a big difference off-road.

Although, I was looking over the weight differences between the 5th Gen 4Runner and the LC250 (my teenage son has expressed interest in both of these vehicles). I want to say that the hybrid variant of the LC250 is around 600 pounds heavier than the 5th Gen 4Runner.

Any of you guys that have had both, what are your thoughts? Would you agree with @Sugarloafer80 that the extra 600lbs that the 250 has on the 4Runner is a big detriment to the 250's off-road performance compared to the 4Runner's off-road performance?

The weight difference is definitely an advantage for the 4Runner.

How about that deception from Toyota you alluded to - no explanation?

 

[URJ200]

Then to your point, why all the BS about deceiptful practices.

Well, I wrote a whole paragraph on why I think the popular attitude towards the 250 is what it is based on what I believe, what I have read on social media and from other owners in our regional Land Cruiser club. I don't really think I need to elucidate any further.

60000+ sales from a prior 2000-/yr says it all.

This right here ^

Like I said before, Toyota cracked the Land Cruiser code in the US. Land Cruiser ownership is no longer this exclusive thing, and who doesn't think that's a good thing? The 250 is the everyman Land Cruiser and that is really the heart of the Prado.

In the words of Akio Toyoda from the 250 world premier, "The Land Cruiser should be a car that supports people's lives and local communities, so the Light Duty model must return to the true form that customers are looking for."

 

[RideWithYanu]

Well, I wrote a whole paragraph on why I think the popular attitude towards the 250 is what it is based on what I believe, what I have read on social media and from other owners in our regional Land Cruiser club. I don't really think I need to elucidate any further.

Ah, so it was just the crime of calling it a Land Cruiser then, without…educating people about other vehicles not on offer?

That’s an amusing perspective!

 

[URJ200]

The weight difference is definitely an advantage for the 4Runner.

So you and @DubDub will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

How about that deception from Toyota you alluded to - no explanation?

Well, I wrote a whole paragraph on why I think the popular attitude towards the 250 is what it is based on what I believe, what I have read on social media and from other owners in our regional Land Cruiser club. I don't really think I need to elucidate any further.

 

[URJ200]

That’s an amusing perspective!

You can be rude or you can communicate like a gentleman. If the former, I think there is a block function on this forum somewhere.

 

[RideWithYanu]

You can be rude or you can communicate like a gentleman. If the former, I think there is a block function on this forum somewhere.

If me gently expressing amusement feels rude to you I would recommend you indeed block me. Good day to ya!

 

[DubDub]

So you and @DubDub will just have to agree to disagree on this one.



Well, I wrote a whole paragraph on why I think the popular attitude towards the 250 is what it is based on what I believe, what I have read on social media and from other owners in our regional Land Cruiser club. I don't really think I need to elucidate any further.

I’ve had zero issue with RideWithYanu ever, and I’m sure he has his reasons for seeing it as a detriment. I can’t disagree with his why, but I can give mine:

I’ve owned the premier 5G 4R, and for my use case it was inferior to my LC. Again, my experience and use case. The weight difference is negligible compared to normal modifications to those 4Rs and the stark contrast is power/torque of the vehicles. My offroading is 99% sand and loose pack backroads to fishing/ATV spots. My LC is just better in nearly every way.

 

[RideWithYanu]

I’ve had zero issue with RideWithYanu ever, and I’m sure he has his reasons for seeing it as a detriment. I can’t disagree with his why, but I can give mine:

I’ve owned the premier 5G 4R, and for my use case it was inferior to my LC. Again, my experience and use case. The weight difference is negligible compared to normal modifications to those 4Rs and the stark contrast is power/torque of the vehicles. My offroading is 99% sand and loose pack backroads to fishing/ATV spots. My LC is just better in nearly every way.

All makes sense to me - and I’ve never owned a 4Runner, so no first hand experience. Thanks for your kind words (back at you!) and for ignoring the attempt to create division between us. The internet can be an odd place…

 

[AgRN16]

I’ve had zero issue with RideWithYanu ever, and I’m sure he has his reasons for seeing it as a detriment. I can’t disagree with his why, but I can give mine:

I’ve owned the premier 5G 4R, and for my use case it was inferior to my LC. Again, my experience and use case. The weight difference is negligible compared to normal modifications to those 4Rs and the stark contrast is power/torque of the vehicles. My offroading is 99% sand and loose pack backroads to fishing/ATV spots. My LC is just better in nearly every way.

I currently own a 2019 TRD Pro 4runner. 99% stock. We also have a 2024 LC 250 Premium. It has steel front and rear aftermarket bumpers, winch, full length aftermarket roof rack. An FSR Roof Top Tent and Kammok awning. 35" E load tires. Dobinsons suspension/lift all around. As you can imagine, it weighs MUCH more than just 600lbs more than my 4runner. Probably 1000+ pounds heavier.

It is superior offroad in every measurable way than the 5th gen 4runner. Its not close. And that is with my 5th gen being the top offered 4runner of its time.

 

[URJ200]

I’ve had zero issue with RideWithYanu ever, and I’m sure he has his reasons for seeing it as a detriment.

Absolutely, which was the reason for the handshake emoji.

I do, unfortunately, have an issue with people that put words in others' mouths ("crime"/"deception") to escalate an otherwise peaceful exchange of ideas into a "I don't not share your beliefs - let's fight" situation that I don't care to be a part of.

 

[URJ200]

I currently own a 2019 TRD Pro 4runner. 99% stock. We also have a 2024 LC 250 Premium. It has steel front and rear aftermarket bumpers, winch, full length aftermarket roof rack. An FSR Roof Top Tent and Kammok awning. 35" E load tires. Dobinsons suspension/lift all around. As you can imagine, it weighs MUCH more than just 600lbs more than my 4runner. Probably 1000+ pounds heavier.

It is superior offroad in every measurable way than the 5th gen 4runner. Its not close. And that is with my 5th gen being the top offered 4runner of its time.

Sick!

So, how would you respond to what @Sugarloafer80 was saying in posts #253 and #259 that a 200 series is at a disadvantage to the 250 off-road due to it's being "300-500lbs" heavier (...and larger which I think we later agreed was an insignificant measure)?

 

[RideWithYanu]

Sometimes you can quickly check someone’s entire post history and immediately understand their motivation.

Peace and love!

 

[Noctilucent]

From what I have gathered from the general attitude towards the 250 is that it would not get a fraction of the negativity if Toyota had been forthcoming with the consumer about what the Land Cruiser 250 is exactly and its position in the Land Cruiser hierarchy. Instead, in certain markets including the US, they branded it simply as the Land Cruiser. You have the right to disagree as a 250 owner but, in the US particularly, this is quite transparently a marketing move targeting people who have very little knowledge or exposure to the flagship station wagon. The average guy (Tacoma, Jeep or 4Runner owner maybe?) just knows that the Land Cruiser is "awesome" and "bullet proof" and has always been too expensive for many to afford. Toyota knows that most of these people have no idea what a Prado is and have likely never even sat inside a flagship Land Cruiser, given how rare and expensive they are in the US. This is quite evident in the demographic of 250 owners as you are seeing some, but overall, very few people moving from a 200 to a 250.

Their strategy has worked quite well, though, as I think we're at 60,000+ 250s sold so far. They've turned a brand that has always been under the radar in America into a household, everyman SUV label that could likely become as common a sight on the road as a 4Runner. Toyotas job is to make money, and they've found a very creative way to expand their market share in this vertical.

I wouldn't worry about values too much as long as there isn't any Tundra-scale recall on transmissions, although it's a bit alarming the number of cases we're seeing on this forum, which is a smallish sample size. I think the 250 will hold it's value as well as any of the other similar Toyota 4x4s like the 4Runner and Tacoma.

nah, nearly every single review on youtube mentioned it was also known as the prado or light duty Land Cruiser over seas, and even the ones invited to toyota’s unveiling premiere kept repeating that reminding the viewers. i’m pretty sure toyota wanted some of the strongest voices on social media to drive that point home like hey, this is the center land cruiser now also known as the ''prado'' overseas. it now sits right in the middle, with the station wagon and heavy duty on each side. the 250 isn’t the mascot flagship land cruiser it’s the ''core'' land cruiser now. etc etc, Like anything else if the buyer didnt educate themselves and they thought they were buying the mascot cruiser then shrug whatever. I'm ready for the 200 crowd to not be butt hurt anymore. look at me 250 I am the Captain now.