Great job Toyota . The new Kia telluride comes with higher ground clearance and better offroad tires, and the rear seats fold completely flat

[Jack_]

Came here for the comments... The age old Kia vs. Toyota debate!

 

[Impatient]

I came from a 2017 Armada, and kept it for my son to drive. I can tell you that my LC has spent more time in the shop in 6 months than the Armada did in 8 years. Rock solid. But I grew tierd of driving something so big.

They moved to a turbo V-6 with the new model, so will be curious to see if they run into the same problem Toyota has. It’s been an adjustment for people from an acceptance perspective, engine technology has changed and so much more power comes out of these smaller engines with turbos now. I expect that the engine will eventually prove as reliable as the old v-8’s, although they will certainly require a more diligent maintenance program. And they might not be there right now.

My first vehicle was a V8 1981 Ford Bronco. Windsor 302. Made about 225 HP. Now I drive a 4 cylinder hybrid that beats that output by over 100 horses.

 

[Mtn40]

Well proof is in the pudding folks . this forum is crowded by 99 percent morons . And here is why:

I created a thread to discuss the few known tips and tricks when it comes to to off-roading and it got 0 replies

lc off-roading tips and science

It’s time to take a brief break from mpg , ceramic coating and paint protection threads and create a page dedicated to discussing lesser known off-roading tips and tricks that not only is interesting from the scientific perspective but it may save you from an accident I’ll start with the first...

www.landcruiserforum.com

That's just bad luck and bad timing. Late Sunday night post. I never saw that on the "what's new" page. You never know what thread is going to take off and which will get bumped off the front page before those who would be interested have a chance to see it.
I plan to go watch those videos later when I get a minute.

 

[teghogh]

That's just bad luck and bad timing. Late Sunday night post. I never saw that on the "what's new" page. You never know what thread is going to take off and which will get bumped off the front page before those who would be interested have a chance to see it.
I plan to go watch those videos later when I get a minute.

You are certainly considered in the top 1% . The wealth of information you have provided here is unmatched and I thanks you for that

 

[Legman71]

Yeah mine had a posh interior as well with a beautiful panorama sunroof .

thank goodness it didn't blow up in the garage itself. It was parked outside of the garage for several days. Went to lunch, then came back and saw 20-ft flames.

Obviously I'm never buying that brand again.

Wow that's really scary. I'm very sorry that happened to you. And yes, if that was in your garage that would've been really, really terrible. I'm so glad nobody was hurt and you/yours are alright.

 

[Legman71]

You are certainly considered in the top 1% . The wealth of information you have provided here is unmatched and I thanks you for that

after hearing you say you posted the video I just watched it. thanks for posting. very interesting. I posted something I thought was interesting on here and only got comments 1-2 mos later so i think it's just par for the course.

 

[PDPete]

Well proof is in the pudding folks . this forum is crowded by 99 percent morons . And here is why:

I created a thread to discuss the few known tips and tricks when it comes to to off-roading and it got 0 replies

That's just bad luck and bad timing. Late Sunday night post. I never saw that on the "what's new" page. You never know what thread is going to take off and which will get bumped off the front page before those who would be interested have a chance to see it.
I plan to go watch those videos later when I get a minute.

Unfortunately, while the videos in the linked post are certainly informative, it's also not a subject that triggers a ton of discussion or interaction. You watch them, think, "Oh, that's great to know", and move on...few people here are going to have an opposing view to share or much, if anything, to add.

This post, however, with it's "click-bait" title and controversial opinion (on a Land Cruiser forum), is naturally going to spark engagement and debate...sadly. It's why so-called "content creators" on platforms like YouTube have used the same tactics for years.

 

[teghogh]

after hearing you say you posted the video I just watched it. thanks for posting. very interesting. I posted something I thought was interesting on here and only got comments 1-2 mos later so i think it's just par for the

I wonder if the reaction would be the same here if someone did a troller post of "I traded my LC250 for a Nissan Armada". Body on frame, ground clearance with air suspension, GT-R based V-6, made in Japan, three rows of seating, discounted pricing, etc.

I would buy the armada pro x over gx550 and the lc if not for steep EV like depreciation . The 3 year low mileage examples are at 50 percent msrp or 30k off .

 

[D-mac]

The Armada is akin to the GX550, but larger. They both have feminine lines and are designed with third rows with the sole purpose of hauling kids around. I've yet to see a man drive GX500 or an Armada. Not that it hasn't happened (perhaps once), however, that is not the intent of the designers.

The current Armada is the Y63 Patrol , andIt's basically offering LC300 luxury/capability at a LC250 price. It's true that Patrols don't have much off road cred in North America (like Suzuki or Mitsubishi), but they have been doing 4x4 things since 1951 around the world.

 

[Winchester44]

Kia Has Revealed the Redesigned 2027 Telluride SUV, and the X-Pro Looks a Lot Like a Range Rover

More information about Kia's new three-row mid-size SUV will be revealed at the Los Angeles auto show on November 20.

www.caranddriver.com

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Well proof is in the pudding folks . this forum is crowded by 99 percent morons . And here is why:

I created a thread to discuss the few known tips and tricks when it comes to to off-roading and it got 0 replies

lc off-roading tips and science​

It’s time to take a brief break from mpg , ceramic coating and paint protection threads and create a page dedicated to discussing lesser known off-roading tips and tricks that not only is interesting from the scientific perspective but it may save you from an accident I’ll start with the first...

www.landcruiserforum.com

Then a post about how Kia’s street car some how has more clearance and flat folding seats and there are 3 pages of anger fueled hysteric responses on how dare you criticize Toyota it is perfect that way it is.

Let’s get back to the usual hotly debated topics by the fellow brainiacs here

1. Why is my mpg so low
2. I got 4mpg improvements by removing my cross bars
3. How to crack the mpg formula and get 29 mog
4. How much mpg hit by removing the front plastic valance
5. I broke my windshield
6.can I put 87 in my truck when 91 is recommended. What’s the mpg hit
6. I put pff and ceramic coating on my offroad truck
7. Look the gx550 engines are failing. What a great decision I have made and quietly rejoicing the their issue

Let’s change the name to landfieldforum and call it done

You’re free to prefer a Telluride, but the comparison you’re making doesn’t really hold water, and the insults aren’t helping your case.


A Kia Telluride is a very good family crossover. It also has more ground clearance on paper and its seats fold flatter. Great. That doesn’t suddenly make it a more capable or more appropriate vehicle for the people who buy Land Cruisers.


The LC250 is built on a body-on-frame platform with low-range gearing, locking diffs, a ladder frame, a torque-biased hybrid system, and suspension geometry designed for articulation and durability. That means certain compromises: the batteries sit where they sit, the seats fold the way they fold, and yes, Toyota intentionally designed it this way to prioritize off-road capability and longevity rather than showroom specs.


Flat-fold seats and spec-sheet clearance figures are not the main criteria for buyers who want a vehicle that can take repeated hard use, transit rough terrain, and still be serviceable 20 years from now. That’s the difference between a crossover and a global-market Land Cruiser that’s meant to survive in places where the nearest dealership might be 300 miles away.


And for what it’s worth, people here talk about MPG, windshields, and 87-octane because that’s what happens when thousands of owners are actually using their trucks in the real world. It’s not “moronic”, it’s just normal ownership discussion.


Nobody is saying the LC250 is perfect. But comparing it to a Telluride and declaring the whole forum “99 percent morons” because Toyota didn’t build it like a Kia isn’t exactly a mic-drop argument.


If the Telluride fits your needs better, buy it and enjoy it. But the LC250 exists for a different purpose, for a different kind of buyer, and it makes sense that people who bought one care about what it was designed to do. One more point: the issues with the GX550, LX600, and Tundra powertrains aren’t small potatoes. They’ve been very real for a lot of owners. The LC250 got the global-market turbo-hybrid four for a reason: it’s proven, simpler, and designed for reliability in harsh markets. Thank goodness Toyota didn’t drop the twin-turbo V6 into this platform, no matter how many people think “more cylinders = better” without looking at the data.

 

[LCDakota]

You’re free to prefer a Telluride, but the comparison you’re making doesn’t really hold water, and the insults aren’t helping your case.


A Kia Telluride is a very good family crossover. It also has more ground clearance on paper and its seats fold flatter. Great. That doesn’t suddenly make it a more capable or more appropriate vehicle for the people who buy Land Cruisers.


The LC250 is built on a body-on-frame platform with low-range gearing, locking diffs, a ladder frame, a torque-biased hybrid system, and suspension geometry designed for articulation and durability. That means certain compromises: the batteries sit where they sit, the seats fold the way they fold, and yes, Toyota intentionally designed it this way to prioritize off-road capability and longevity rather than showroom specs.


Flat-fold seats and spec-sheet clearance figures are not the main criteria for buyers who want a vehicle that can take repeated hard use, transit rough terrain, and still be serviceable 20 years from now. That’s the difference between a crossover and a global-market Land Cruiser that’s meant to survive in places where the nearest dealership might be 300 miles away.


And for what it’s worth, people here talk about MPG, windshields, and 87-octane because that’s what happens when thousands of owners are actually using their trucks in the real world. It’s not “moronic”, it’s just normal ownership discussion.


Nobody is saying the LC250 is perfect. But comparing it to a Telluride and declaring the whole forum “99 percent morons” because Toyota didn’t build it like a Kia isn’t exactly a mic-drop argument.


If the Telluride fits your needs better, buy it and enjoy it. But the LC250 exists for a different purpose, for a different kind of buyer, and it makes sense that people who bought one care about what it was designed to do. One more point: the issues with the GX550, LX600, and Tundra powertrains aren’t small potatoes. They’ve been very real for a lot of owners. The LC250 got the global-market turbo-hybrid four for a reason: it’s proven, simpler, and designed for reliability in harsh markets. Thank goodness Toyota didn’t drop the twin-turbo V6 into this platform, no matter how many people think “more cylinders = better” without looking at the data.

. Telluride v LC shouldn’t be (and isn’t) a real headline. Completely different buyers. If you’re deciding between a Telluride and Land Cruiser you probably shouldn’t be a LC 250 buyer, you’ll probably get annoyed with the missing 3rd row and off road chops. Telluride v Grand Highlander or Sequia

 

[URJ200]

The LC250 is built on a body-on-frame platform with low-range gearing, locking diffs, a ladder frame, a torque-biased hybrid system, and suspension geometry designed for articulation and durability. That means certain compromises: the batteries sit where they sit, the seats fold the way they fold, and yes, Toyota intentionally designed it this way to prioritize off-road capability and longevity rather than showroom specs.

I don't know man. I would think most of the rough and tumble, overlanding Land Cruiser Prado 250 guys I know would not deny that it's pretty useful to be able to fold up your seats and sleep in the back of an SUV when you're 3000 miles out in the bush away from the nearest bathroom.

If the Telluride fits your needs better, buy it and enjoy it. But the LC250 exists for a different purpose, for a different kind of buyer, and it makes sense that people who bought one care about what it was designed to do. One more point: the issues with the GX550, LX600, and Tundra powertrains aren’t small potatoes. They’ve been very real for a lot of owners. The LC250 got the global-market turbo-hybrid four for a reason: it’s proven, simpler, and designed for reliability in harsh markets. Thank goodness Toyota didn’t drop the twin-turbo V6 into this platform, no matter how many people think “more cylinders = better” without looking at the data.

I don't wanna be rude but how many members on this board have had their transmissions fail and leave them stranded after a few months of ownership?

How many "hybrid system malfunctions have left members on this forum stranded or in limp mode?

And if we're being honest this new vehicle with a new hybrid motor has not proven anything close to what the Land Cruisers (even Prados) that came before it have. We know of at least two members on this forum who are having to have full engine replacements. And let's not forget the members on this forum who have gone through the buy back process with Toyota for their new 250.

 

[teghogh]

I don't know man. I would think most of the rough and tumble, overlanding Land Cruiser Prado 250 guys I know would not deny that it's pretty useful to be able to sleep in the back of an SUV when you're 3000 miles out in the bush away from the nearest bathroom.



I don't wanna be rude but how many members on this board have had their transmissions fail and leave them stranded after a few months of ownership?

How many "hybrid system malfunctions have left members on this forum stranded or in limp mode?

And if we're being honest this new vehicle with a new hybrid motor has not proven anything close to what the Land Cruisers (even Prados) that came before it have. We know of at least two members on this forum who are having to have full engine replacements. And let's not forget the members on this forum who have gone through the buy back process with Toyota for their new 250.

how dare you!

 

[teghogh]

Btw looks like every other company besides Toyota has flat folding seats
This is the pro 4x

 

[BlueCruiser]

I don't know man. I would think most of the rough and tumble, overlanding Land Cruiser Prado 250 guys I know would not deny that it's pretty useful to be able to fold up your seats and sleep in the back of an SUV when you're 3000 miles out in the bush away from the nearest bathroom.



I don't wanna be rude but how many members on this board have had their transmissions fail and leave them stranded after a few months of ownership?

How many "hybrid system malfunctions have left members on this forum stranded or in limp mode?

And if we're being honest this new vehicle with a new hybrid motor has not proven anything close to what the Land Cruisers (even Prados) that came before it have. We know of at least two members on this forum who are having to have full engine replacements. And let's not forget the members on this forum who have gone through the buy back process with Toyota for their new 250.

Not to diminish the problem because small statistics don't really matter if you are one of the unlucky ones.

However, with the LC 250 what do we know of so far? Perhaps 100 out of 100,000 units sold? 1 in 1,000 is actually a very good result for a new vehicle so you are arguing the opposite side of the debate.

 

[teghogh]

Not to diminish the problem because small statistics don't really matter if you are one of the unlucky ones.

However, with the LC 250 what do we know of so far? Perhaps 100 out of 100,000 units sold? 1 in 1,000 is actually a very good result for a new vehicle so you are arguing the opposite side of the debate.

and yet 0 reports of engine or transmission issues on GX550

 

[URJ200]

Not to diminish the problem because small statistics don't really matter if you are one of the unlucky ones.

However, with the LC 250 what do we know of so far? Perhaps 100 out of 100,000 units sold? 1 in 1,000 is actually a very good result for a new vehicle so you are arguing the opposite side of the debate.

That's just it brother, we don't know. Could be way worse or could be anomalies*, but it's silly to talk shit on other decent vehicles when the perfectly decent 250 has this many problems given the small sample size (this forum). There may be some 250 lad here that has a massive statistics nut and maybe might probably come and fuck me all up over saying that, but these issues have to be included in the conversation when someone confidently says all the things Winchester said in his advertisement above.

 

[Winchester44]

I don't know man. I would think most of the rough and tumble, overlanding Land Cruiser Prado 250 guys I know would not deny that it's pretty useful to be able to fold up your seats and sleep in the back of an SUV when you're 3000 miles out in the bush away from the nearest bathroom.

I HAVE SLEPT IN MINE A DOZEN + NIGHTS. I BROUGHT ALONG AN EXTRA SLEEPING PAD TO LEVEL THE FLOOR AND VIOLA, FLAT FLOOR. I ACTUALLY FIND THAT MID FLOOR CARGO AREA PRETTY COOL AND THE REAR SEATS VERY COMFORTABLE.

I don't wanna be rude but how many members on this board have had their transmissions fail and leave them stranded after a few months of ownership? How many "hybrid system malfunctions have left members on this forum stranded or in limp mode? I DON'T THINK THAT MANY,BUT COULD BE WRONG.

And if we're being honest this new vehicle with a new hybrid motor has not proven anything close to what the Land Cruisers (even Prados) that came before it have. FAIR ENOUGH We know of at least two members on this forum who are having to have full engine replacements. And let's not forget the members on this forum who have gone through the buy back process with Toyota for their new 250. I DON'T GET THE IMPRESSION ITS THAT MANY, GO OVER TO TUNDRAS.COM IF YOU WANT SEE REAL DRIVETRAIN QUALITY ISSUES OR THOSE THAT BOUGHT THE BABY DURAMAX GM.

 

[Winchester44]

and yet 0 reports of engine or transmission issues on GX550

HA! Toyota Recalls Certain Toyota Tundra and Lexus GX and LX Vehicles - Toyota USA Newsroom

 

[Winchester44]

Btw looks like every other company besides Toyota has flat folding seats
This is the pro 4x

Note the diminished headroom. Everything is compromise. Would much rather have the storage volume day to day and take 2 min to make a pallet when sleeping.