1958 "built better" than LC & FE

I don’t get how people can get so invested in talking about watches. They all do nearly the same thing, the conversations about them are just endless nitpicks and pointless debates over an unnecessary luxury item, and the enthusiasts put far to much value on vintage versions versus the modern options being produced.

Anyway, I’m off to the synthesizer forums to debate the intrinsic value of analog sound over digital…

(‘Tis a joke)
Wait just one minute! My Rolex stainless steel Sub, 41mm, no date, is NOT an unnecessary luxury item. However, I did get my Tudor FXD as a beater watch.
*How do I report people on this forum? 😁
 
It's a high quality, durable cloth designed for rugged use. I have seat covers on my the two front seats. I'm not worried about the back seats. It's not a LEXUS.
Break out the box wine!

*That would be kind of a cool mod, actually.
 

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Wait just one minute! My Rolex stainless steel Sub, 41mm, no date, is NOT an unnecessary luxury item. However, I did get my Tudor FXD as a beater watch.
*How do I report people on this forum? 😁
My Tudor North Flag is built better than your 124060. This is clearly evident from 0 complaints from the community online.
 
I have a 1958 and I would not say its built "better". Like most ppl have mentioned...less features means less points of failure. Not having a sunroof does not mean our roofs are built better, just means we don't need to worry about a leak in 5-10 years.
 
I have a 1958 and I would not say its built "better". Like most ppl have mentioned...less features means less points of failure. Not having a sunroof does not mean our roofs are built better, just means we don't need to worry about a leak in 5-10 years.
I too am a member of the "no sunroof" mafia, except I have a Base, so I'm like a Captain. The 1958 guys are the ones breaking into parking meters.
 
I assume that you're being satirical, because I'm pretty sure that messing about with the VIN in any way could be a federal felony. lol
No way man. He cleared that up right there on the front-end with "I talked to a guy, who would know and he said they were."
 
After a year of ownership (1958 with zero issues) and being a member of this forum, it seems that the 1958 has less issues than the premium models. Could it be that the 1958 is "built better" with less issues than the LC and FE premium packages?
Dude...way to put a hex on all us 1958 owners. :)
 
After a year of ownership (1958 with zero issues) and being a member of this forum, it seems that the 1958 has less issues than the premium models. Could it be that the 1958 is "built better" with less issues than the LC and FE premium packages?
1958 has less options , THUS less things to go wrong…. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I like options! Softtex seats, heated/vented seats, power seats, rear a/c, folding mirrors… I can go on… for the amount of money I shelled out.. I want them… now that being said, have you guys seen the prices on new 4Runners?!!!! Crazy!…at least in AZ
 
After a year of ownership (1958 with zero issues) and being a member of this forum, it seems that the 1958 has less issues than the premium models. Could it be that the 1958 is "built better" with less issues than the LC and FE premium packages?

9 months and over 12,000 miles with my FE and it's fine. 🤷‍♂️
 
I mean if we are fancying apples to oranges. I myself did have a 2025 xse awd camry fitted with the all the same premium features. HUD vented seats, Bose system, panoramic roof, awd system to give any Prius owner a run for its money.

I found myself not using half of the premiums that were offered. I work at the hospital so when I go out on adventures I want to go and enjoy. I found the 1958 to be a perfect blend for me. Having all the features you need but leaving room for your own upgrades. I wouldn’t say any are necessarily built better. As for any vehicle buy it and enjoy it for what it’s made to do. Either one will get you out on the trails and back. Nothing a lift and tires won’t solve for either series.
 
1958 has less options , THUS less things to go wrong…. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I like options! Softtex seats, heated/vented seats, power seats, rear a/c, folding mirrors… I can go on… for the amount of money I shelled out.. I want them… now that being said, have you guys seen the prices on new 4Runners?!!!! Crazy!…at least in AZ
True Offroad guys don’t need all those creature features. Basic is better for off-roading.
 
I guess it would depend on your definition of a "true" off roader................ Some "true" off roader's vehicles are in excess of 150K............ Basic Tacoma with portals, axles, 4 link, extended "A" arms and lockers would easily approach 100K.

I don't know a single "true" off roader that didn't add lights, switches, map/route monitor + software, radio system etc...... and wouldn't like some of those features IF they wouldn't take away from the performance side of things.

Just my opinion tho'
 
Well, my box stock 2009 Tacoma SR5, extended cab, 4 cylinder, 5 speed manual transmission with 185,000 miles has been in some pretty precarious situations and has never let me down. I’ve gone places where the jeep guys are sitting at the bottom of the hill trying to decide how they were going to attack the hill, my little SR5 will go anywhere. From the dirt roads the Baja 1000 runs on, to Moab and anything Nevada can throw at me.

I plan on doing the Same things with my box stock 58, its already run 120 miles of the Baja 1000 road from San Ignacio to San Juanico a couple of times down and back and some back roads of Nevada and adventure is just beginning…
 
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