So long, farewell Land Cruiser

[turbo8]

Yes it happens on the LCLC trim as well. I filed a complaint with the NHTSA but never got a confirmation -- it's super annoying when you're dealing with difficult terrain and your display is locked up waiting for you to hit the return button every five seconds.

I've been tempted by the Bronco since it came out. I was waiting for the hybrid/plug in hybrid that they've been testing since that first year but never released. (Plus, owning a Ford that was in the shop so often is what drove me to buy my first Toyota, and I've never gone back. Hopefully they are better now!) The Land Cruiser is probably better for me anyway though. But I'm for sure jealous of the ground clearance. I saw a video a while back with an informal comparison of a few offroad SUVs including a Land Cruiser, some Jeep, and a Bronco, and they concluded the Bronco was the most effortless on difficult offroad trails.

Suggestion: get some kind of tie rod reinforcement, that seems to be a really common failure point on the Bronco.

Turn off PCS (pre-collision system) Then the warning won't keep on popping up.
Unfortunately it doesn't stay off, so if you shut the car down, you will need to turn the PCS off again.

 

[Marinna]

It was a tough decision, but after nearly three months of thoroughly enjoyable ownership, I traded in my 2025 Land Cruiser 1958 yesterday for a 4-door Bronco Badlands with the Sasquatch package.

Let me be clear: there was absolutely nothing wrong with the LC. It’s a fantastic vehicle. But after reevaluating how I plan to use my rig going forward—specifically targeting more challenging off-road trails—the Bronco offered some significant advantages that ultimately swayed me. So here’s a breakdown of the factors behind the switch:

Key Advantages of the Bronco Badlands w/ Sasquatch Package​

1. Ground Clearance
   The Bronco offers 11.5 inches of ground clearance—compared to 8.5 inches on the LC—without the need for an aftermarket lift.
2. Fording Depth
   With a fording depth of 33.5 inches vs. 27.5 for the LC, the Bronco gives me more peace of mind for the local trails I frequent, some of which involve river crossings that came sometimes reach 24 inches after rain. Plus, there’s no hybrid system battery to worry about.
3. Tires
   The Sasquatch package comes standard with 35" tires—again, no lift required. I've heard of a few folks putting 35" tires on LCs, and some say they don't rub, and some say they do. No such issue with the 'squatch.
4. Locking Front Differential
   While the Bronco has a locking rear differential like the LC, it doesn’t have a center locker like the LC. However, it does have a locking front diff. For tougher trails, I consider the front locker more valuable.
5. Off-Road Modes
   The G.O.A.T. (Goes Over Any Terrain) system included in the Badlands trim offers multiple drive modes. I’m sure Toyota’s MTS system in the higher LC trims is also excellent, but the variety and tuning of the Bronco’s modes felt like a better fit for my intended use.
6. Removable Hard-Top
   This one’s a bit unfair—I knew the 1958 trim didn’t come with a sunroof, but after riding in a friend’s Bronco with the entire top removed, I was hooked.
7. Modular Steel Bumper
   Standard on the Badlands trim, it’s winch-ready and customizable with bolt-ons like brush guards and light bars. As far as I know, there’s no equivalent factory offering for the LC.
8. Price
   I feel like I got about 90%+ of what an LC LC with the premium package would offer - for roughly 80% of the cost. And to me, some Bronco features (like the removable top, tailgate-mounted spare, and significantly better approach/departure angles) just aren’t available on the LC at any trim level.

Final Thoughts​

It was genuinely gut-wrenching to hand over the LC yesterday. If it were up to me, I’d keep both—use the LC for highway trips, forest service roads, and light off-roading, and reserve the Bronco for the tough stuff. But alas, the boss (aka my wife) didn’t sign off on that plan.

I have nothing bad to say about the LC — except a few minor gripes, with the chief among them being:

• CarPlay doesn’t lower the audio system volume enough when making announcements or receiving calls.
• The traction control/VSC-off warning in 4LO comes back to block the gauge cluster every time it’s dismissed.

First-world problems, for sure.

The LC took me everywhere I wanted to go, both on-road and off, handled difficulty level 3/level 4 trails without breaking a sweat, and delivered a comfortable ride throughout. I’ve had mixed feelings about parting with vehicles in the past (not you, Jeep Grand Cherokee), but the sense of loss this time runs deeper.

I wish you all continued enjoyment of your excellent Land Cruisers!

Isn’t the difference of the two cars you can know in advanced? Switching car this early sounds like paying for thousands of dollars mistake you could’ve avoided.

LC was never known to be a rock crawler, unlikely many people want to believe. Rock crawling I believe is an American-only thing. Instead, LC especially Prado is a car you can cruise in all terrains with or without established infrastructure. That means it is a very good all around vehicle but never a specialty vehicle like Wrangler or Bronco.

Anyway, at least now you know what you want. Congradulations

 

[Markarian421]

Turn off PCS (pre-collision system) Then the warning won't keep on popping up.
Unfortunately it doesn't stay off, so if you shut the car down, you will need to turn the PCS off again.

Yeah but I really shouldn't have to dig through menus to shut stuff off while I'm already dealing with adverse road conditions of one kind or another. If I'm going to be in 4lo for a long time, I do that anyway, but whether it's that or reminding me every five seconds, it's just creating more of a distracted driving safety issue. When you click ok the first time, it should shut it off for you.

 

[turbo8]

Yeah but I really shouldn't have to dig through menus to shut stuff off while I'm already dealing with adverse road conditions of one kind or another. If I'm going to be in 4lo for a long time, I do that anyway, but whether it's that or reminding me every five seconds, it's just creating more of a distracted driving safety issue. When you click ok the first time, it should shut it off for you.

Agreed, it's super annoying. Other manufactures don't do this, wonder why Toyota does it.

 

[boltnut]

Curious - what’s your purpose here? I wonder if you’re just here to troll 250 enthusiasts.

He's not trolling. He's talking about Portal Axles.

 

[what_have_they_done]

He's not trolling. He's talking about Portal Axles.View attachment 45109

Lol yes

 

[Markarian421]

Now I want portals. (Except not, for all the well known reasons.)

 

[COSmurf]

He's not trolling. He's talking about Portal Axles.View attachment 45109

I don’t think he was posing that question because he is unaware of the existence of portal axles.

 

[what_have_they_done]

Now I want portals. (Except not, for all the well known reasons.)

Its the only meaningful way to gain clearance without affecting factory articulation.

 

[chris_in_phx]

Agreed, it's super annoying. Other manufactures don't do this, wonder why Toyota does it.

Agreed. Apparently even people who do cars for a living are annoyed

The New Toyota Land Cruiser’s Screens Make Us Scream

The Land Cruiser’s cumbersome screens are a constant source of frustration—but it’s not all bad.

www.motortrend.com

 

[RideWithYanu]

He's not trolling. He's talking about Portal Axles.View attachment 45109

That was clear already, but thanks.

 

[Trail250]

Here you go on the Bronco Sasquatch, a 1958 trim is just underneath it with non-disconnectable sway bars. Crazy how much flex is built into these Land Cruisers and surprises me each time.

 

[sweet5ltr]

It was a tough decision, but after nearly three months of thoroughly enjoyable ownership, I traded in my 2025 Land Cruiser 1958 yesterday for a 4-door Bronco Badlands with the Sasquatch package.

Let me be clear: there was absolutely nothing wrong with the LC. It’s a fantastic vehicle. But after reevaluating how I plan to use my rig going forward—specifically targeting more challenging off-road trails—the Bronco offered some significant advantages that ultimately swayed me. So here’s a breakdown of the factors behind the switch:

Key Advantages of the Bronco Badlands w/ Sasquatch Package​

1. Ground Clearance
   The Bronco offers 11.5 inches of ground clearance—compared to 8.5 inches on the LC—without the need for an aftermarket lift.
2. Fording Depth
   With a fording depth of 33.5 inches vs. 27.5 for the LC, the Bronco gives me more peace of mind for the local trails I frequent, some of which involve river crossings that came sometimes reach 24 inches after rain. Plus, there’s no hybrid system battery to worry about.
3. Tires
   The Sasquatch package comes standard with 35" tires—again, no lift required. I've heard of a few folks putting 35" tires on LCs, and some say they don't rub, and some say they do. No such issue with the 'squatch.
4. Locking Front Differential
   While the Bronco has a locking rear differential like the LC, it doesn’t have a center locker like the LC. However, it does have a locking front diff. For tougher trails, I consider the front locker more valuable.
5. Off-Road Modes
   The G.O.A.T. (Goes Over Any Terrain) system included in the Badlands trim offers multiple drive modes. I’m sure Toyota’s MTS system in the higher LC trims is also excellent, but the variety and tuning of the Bronco’s modes felt like a better fit for my intended use.
6. Removable Hard-Top
   This one’s a bit unfair—I knew the 1958 trim didn’t come with a sunroof, but after riding in a friend’s Bronco with the entire top removed, I was hooked.
7. Modular Steel Bumper
   Standard on the Badlands trim, it’s winch-ready and customizable with bolt-ons like brush guards and light bars. As far as I know, there’s no equivalent factory offering for the LC.
8. Price
   I feel like I got about 90%+ of what an LC LC with the premium package would offer - for roughly 80% of the cost. And to me, some Bronco features (like the removable top, tailgate-mounted spare, and significantly better approach/departure angles) just aren’t available on the LC at any trim level.

Final Thoughts​

It was genuinely gut-wrenching to hand over the LC yesterday. If it were up to me, I’d keep both—use the LC for highway trips, forest service roads, and light off-roading, and reserve the Bronco for the tough stuff. But alas, the boss (aka my wife) didn’t sign off on that plan.

I have nothing bad to say about the LC — except a few minor gripes, with the chief among them being:

• CarPlay doesn’t lower the audio system volume enough when making announcements or receiving calls.
• The traction control/VSC-off warning in 4LO comes back to block the gauge cluster every time it’s dismissed.

First-world problems, for sure.

The LC took me everywhere I wanted to go, both on-road and off, handled difficulty level 3/level 4 trails without breaking a sweat, and delivered a comfortable ride throughout. I’ve had mixed feelings about parting with vehicles in the past (not you, Jeep Grand Cherokee), but the sense of loss this time runs deeper.

I wish you all continued enjoyment of your excellent Land Cruisers!

Going with a true 33" MT or AT tire and 2" lift would solve the majority of the clearance issues with the LC. Fuel economy would be abysmal which is why they don't do it from the factory.

Two different tools for two totally different purposes. Weekend wheeling trip with a Bronco club, it makes sense. Weeklong expedition style trips outside of civilization by yourself, there's only one vehicle I would trust.

 

[RideWithYanu]

A 33” tire would give you a tiny bit more ground clearance. The 2” lift won’t give you any additional ground clearance, but will improve the approach and departure angles.

 

[BILL]

It was a tough decision, but after nearly three months of thoroughly enjoyable ownership, I traded in my 2025 Land Cruiser 1958 yesterday for a 4-door Bronco Badlands with the Sasquatch package.

Let me be clear: there was absolutely nothing wrong with the LC. It’s a fantastic vehicle. But after reevaluating how I plan to use my rig going forward—specifically targeting more challenging off-road trails—the Bronco offered some significant advantages that ultimately swayed me. So here’s a breakdown of the factors behind the switch:

Key Advantages of the Bronco Badlands w/ Sasquatch Package​

1. Ground Clearance
   The Bronco offers 11.5 inches of ground clearance—compared to 8.5 inches on the LC—without the need for an aftermarket lift.
2. Fording Depth
   With a fording depth of 33.5 inches vs. 27.5 for the LC, the Bronco gives me more peace of mind for the local trails I frequent, some of which involve river crossings that came sometimes reach 24 inches after rain. Plus, there’s no hybrid system battery to worry about.
3. Tires
   The Sasquatch package comes standard with 35" tires—again, no lift required. I've heard of a few folks putting 35" tires on LCs, and some say they don't rub, and some say they do. No such issue with the 'squatch.
4. Locking Front Differential
   While the Bronco has a locking rear differential like the LC, it doesn’t have a center locker like the LC. However, it does have a locking front diff. For tougher trails, I consider the front locker more valuable.
5. Off-Road Modes
   The G.O.A.T. (Goes Over Any Terrain) system included in the Badlands trim offers multiple drive modes. I’m sure Toyota’s MTS system in the higher LC trims is also excellent, but the variety and tuning of the Bronco’s modes felt like a better fit for my intended use.
6. Removable Hard-Top
   This one’s a bit unfair—I knew the 1958 trim didn’t come with a sunroof, but after riding in a friend’s Bronco with the entire top removed, I was hooked.
7. Modular Steel Bumper
   Standard on the Badlands trim, it’s winch-ready and customizable with bolt-ons like brush guards and light bars. As far as I know, there’s no equivalent factory offering for the LC.
8. Price
   I feel like I got about 90%+ of what an LC LC with the premium package would offer - for roughly 80% of the cost. And to me, some Bronco features (like the removable top, tailgate-mounted spare, and significantly better approach/departure angles) just aren’t available on the LC at any trim level.

Final Thoughts​

It was genuinely gut-wrenching to hand over the LC yesterday. If it were up to me, I’d keep both—use the LC for highway trips, forest service roads, and light off-roading, and reserve the Bronco for the tough stuff. But alas, the boss (aka my wife) didn’t sign off on that plan.

I have nothing bad to say about the LC — except a few minor gripes, with the chief among them being:

• CarPlay doesn’t lower the audio system volume enough when making announcements or receiving calls.
• The traction control/VSC-off warning in 4LO comes back to block the gauge cluster every time it’s dismissed.

First-world problems, for sure.

The LC took me everywhere I wanted to go, both on-road and off, handled difficulty level 3/level 4 trails without breaking a sweat, and delivered a comfortable ride throughout. I’ve had mixed feelings about parting with vehicles in the past (not you, Jeep Grand Cherokee), but the sense of loss this time runs deeper.

I wish you all continued enjoyment of your excellent Land Cruisers!

Well I wish you luck with your new ride but as you can now go hard bashing into the beyond I cautioin you that having a 4 wheel drive simply lets you get stuck farther from help so be careful with those new bad boy specifications.

 

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Happy trails with the new ride...

 

[Masbirdies]

These threads always make me wonder why people just don't leave...they have to publish why. Boo hoo! Oh, well...if'n it makes you feel better. Maybe I'll start a thread as to why I LOVE my LC and have no intentions of selling soon.

 

[Nuke]

These threads always make me wonder why people just don't leave...they have to publish why. Boo hoo! Oh, well...if'n it makes you feel better. Maybe I'll start a thread as to why I LOVE my LC and have no intentions of selling soon.

I find virtually all threads informational and helpful. The beautiful thing is, one can simply click to not follow a discussion. Absolutely, would love to read a review regarding your LC.

 

[Altitude]

These threads always make me wonder why people just don't leave...they have to publish why. Boo hoo! Oh, well...if'n it makes you feel better. Maybe I'll start a thread as to why I LOVE my LC and have no intentions of selling soon.

This OP carefully outlined the specs of the Bronco and why it’s a better fit for him. The other guy made perfunctory comments about the LC being smaller than he needs, then wrote 1200 words about how the LC is a blight on Toyota’s brand and we should all be as dissatisfied with ours as he was with his.

Going back to my English lessons decades ago, I recall the first being an “informative” post and the other a “persuasive” one. Which I think goes to your point.

 

[jayce]

As one who came to LC from a Bronco, he’s gonna need a lot of luck..