Most Disappointing Vehicle Ive Owned

[gxsandiego]

If you fact check the speedometer with GPS, it's actually correct on 34s. Consider that if you will.

Are you saying that with 34's there is no need to re-calibrate?

 

[grifocx]

Nice. Unlike you, I never made the claim they were made in Japan. You, however, made the claim that all T24's and L580F's are made in the US, to which your posted articles did not support.

All good, as I think we still got the bottom of that claim for the rest of the people consuming this thread.

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Please provide references when you drop info like that.

Also, what is with the taking screenshots and drawing red rectangles? Weird.

EDIT: I checked ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, and Perplexity. I asked where the T24A-FTS was built. and I asked if there are any sources that say it is built in Japan. I suggest you try the same. So that is what I am going off, not TRUsT mE BRo vibes that you are using. But you do you. If you can provide any value to the readers of the thread that cite where the engine and transmissions are built, that would be cool. Happy to be proven wrong with facts, but snide comments don't do it for me.

 

[LCOceans]

I feel like this thread is all over the place. People getting upset etc. I am sorry some are having issues. I hope they are outlier events, and again, sorry for those that are having problems. There will always be issues with any vehicle and it's a game of chance to some extent. Is there more to the transmission thing? Could be....time will tell. I hope not, and also need to have faith that if there is, Toyota will address and make this right. As a whole Toyota has always been very solid and personally I do not see this changing.

 

[NMGallon]

Are you saying that with 34's there is no need to re-calibrate?

Dude, I appreciate you read through all this chit-chat and this was your takeaway. You seem to be one to find the value meal in a food fight. Nice

 

[mpauly]

I had a conversation with the Toyota master mechanic, I asked if he thought the Lexus GX550 22 gallon tank would fit on the LC250. He didn’t know if the space existed as he hasn’t seen the underside of the Lexus but a lot,of parts are used on both. Any thoughts?

 

[Markarian421]

EDIT: I checked ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, and Perplexity. I asked where the T24A-FTS was built. and I asked if there are any sources that say it is built in Japan. I suggest you try the same.

I just checked multiple AI sources as well. Some initially claimed that the US engine is used in Land Cruisers, but none could provide a source and backtracked when I followed up. Others said immediately that it doesn't use a US build engine. My conclusion is that I don't know (I was genuinely curious) and, as usual, no one should use current AI LLMs for reliable answers. By design LLMs produce plausible sounding answers that are likely to be believed by anyone who isn't an expert. (I'm a physicist, I've never gotten an accurate answer from an LLM about even basic physics questions.)

Some samples of the answers:

ChatGPT rambled on quite a bit in the middle, here's the first paragraph and conclusion: "I couldn’t find any credible source confirming that the T24A-FTS engine used in Land Cruisers is built in the U.S. In fact, available information suggests that the Land Cruiser (2024 model and similar) is still assembled in Japan (Tahara & Hino plants) and that the T24A-FTS engine is a Toyota “Dynamic Force” engine developed in Japan. ...

Conclusion​

• No evidence supports that the T24A-FTS engine in Land Cruisers is U.S.-built.
• The best available information indicates it is still Japanese built."

perplexity: "There are no credible sources explicitly stating that the T24A-FTS engine used in Land Cruisers is built in the US or that US-built engines are directly used in Land Cruisers. Official and reliable information confirms the T24A-FTS engine's applications in the Land Cruiser Prado and other Toyota models but does not specify the manufacturing location for Land Cruiser engines.

The T24A-FTS engine is produced in multiple locations globally, including Japan and India (for hybrid versions), but available official sources do not confirm that US-built engines are used in Land Cruisers. Most production of Land Cruiser engines traditionally occurs in Japan. The US Toyota engine plants (like Kentucky or Alabama) build the T24A-FTS variant for other models such as the Tacoma, Lexus NX350, Highlander, and others, but no verified direct claim or manufacturer statement confirms those US-built engines power the Land Cruiser.

In summary, no publicly verifiable, credible source states US-built T24A-FTS engines are used in Land Cruisers; the engine is mainly associated with Japan and other production sites, and Toyota has not officially stated US-built usage for Land Cruisers."

Copilot rambled on quite a bit in the entire response, but the key quote is, "Given that the 2024 Land Cruiser 250 series is assembled in Japan, it's likely that its T24A-FTS engine is also sourced from Japan for that model."

Google Gemini gave very different answers depending on the question. At one point it insisted that even though it could not provide a source, that it was sure the US built engine was used in US Land Cruisers. But when asked for a list of parts and origins it then insisted that the engines are built in Japan, and "Toyota designs and manufactures its engines in Japan." So Gemini didn't really know and was just spitting out BS answers. Which is what the current LLMs do, by design.

Claude initially provided a post from this forum (!!!) as proof the US built engines are used, but when questioned said: "I cannot provide a credible source that definitively confirms US-built T24A-FTS engines are used in Land Cruisers."

 

[Markarian421]

I had a conversation with the Toyota master mechanic, I asked if he thought the Lexus GX550 22 gallon tank would fit on the LC250. He didn’t know if the space existed as he hasn’t seen the underside of the Lexus but a lot,of parts are used on both. Any thoughts?

It doesn't fit, @EOD Guy tried. Let me find the thread . . .

I think it's this one: GX550 fuel tank in a Land Cruiser

 

[TrailWhale]

I had a conversation with the Toyota master mechanic, I asked if he thought the Lexus GX550 22 gallon tank would fit on the LC250. He didn’t know if the space existed as he hasn’t seen the underside of the Lexus but a lot,of parts are used on both. Any thoughts?

@EOD Guy took one for the team a while back and tried to fit the GX tank. It did not fit.

GX550 fuel tank in a Land Cruiser

Check this out. Sub tank on Gas Hybrid Prado 250 in Dubai. How can we get this part ? Why is our muffler so much larger? Post in thread 'Lightbar Placement & Adaptive Cruise Control Sensor' Lightbar Placement & Adaptive Cruise Control Sensor

www.landcruiserforum.com

 

[cvx5832LC]

I just checked multiple AI sources as well. Some initially claimed that the US engine is used in Land Cruisers, but none could provide a source and backtracked when I followed up. Others said immediately that it doesn't use a US build engine. My conclusion is that I don't know (I was genuinely curious) and, as usual, no one should use current AI LLMs for reliable answers. By design LLMs produce plausible sounding answers that are likely to be believed by anyone who isn't an expert. (I'm a physicist, I've never gotten an accurate answer from an LLM about even basic physics questions.)

Some samples of the answers:

ChatGPT rambled on quite a bit in the middle, here's the first paragraph and conclusion: "I couldn’t find any credible source confirming that the T24A-FTS engine used in Land Cruisers is built in the U.S. In fact, available information suggests that the Land Cruiser (2024 model and similar) is still assembled in Japan (Tahara & Hino plants) and that the T24A-FTS engine is a Toyota “Dynamic Force” engine developed in Japan. ...

Conclusion​

• No evidence supports that the T24A-FTS engine in Land Cruisers is U.S.-built.
• The best available information indicates it is still Japanese built."

perplexity: "There are no credible sources explicitly stating that the T24A-FTS engine used in Land Cruisers is built in the US or that US-built engines are directly used in Land Cruisers. Official and reliable information confirms the T24A-FTS engine's applications in the Land Cruiser Prado and other Toyota models but does not specify the manufacturing location for Land Cruiser engines.

The T24A-FTS engine is produced in multiple locations globally, including Japan and India (for hybrid versions), but available official sources do not confirm that US-built engines are used in Land Cruisers. Most production of Land Cruiser engines traditionally occurs in Japan. The US Toyota engine plants (like Kentucky or Alabama) build the T24A-FTS variant for other models such as the Tacoma, Lexus NX350, Highlander, and others, but no verified direct claim or manufacturer statement confirms those US-built engines power the Land Cruiser.

In summary, no publicly verifiable, credible source states US-built T24A-FTS engines are used in Land Cruisers; the engine is mainly associated with Japan and other production sites, and Toyota has not officially stated US-built usage for Land Cruisers."

Copilot rambled on quite a bit in the entire response, but the key quote is, "Given that the 2024 Land Cruiser 250 series is assembled in Japan, it's likely that its T24A-FTS engine is also sourced from Japan for that model."

Google Gemini gave very different answers depending on the question. At one point it insisted that even though it could not provide a source, that it was sure the US built engine was used in US Land Cruisers. But when asked for a list of parts and origins it then insisted that the engines are built in Japan, and "Toyota designs and manufactures its engines in Japan." So Gemini didn't really know and was just spitting out BS answers. Which is what the current LLMs do, by design.

Claude initially provided a post from the forum as proof the US built engines are used, but when questioned said: "I cannot provide a credible source that definitively confirms US-built T24A-FTS engines are used in Land Cruisers."

Appreciate the breakdown! I have similar reservations with LLM's, but that's for another thread, perhaps another forum entirely.

 

[EOD Guy]

I had a conversation with the Toyota master mechanic, I asked if he thought the Lexus GX550 22 gallon tank would fit on the LC250. He didn’t know if the space existed as he hasn’t seen the underside of the Lexus but a lot,of parts are used on both. Any thoughts?

I'll gladly sell you a brand new, never used, GX 550 fuel tank!

 

[LCMud]

I would be curious to know if the OP has a Hino built or Tahara built cruiser???

It’s one or the other, but means exactly nothing. If it were that simple, Toyota would solve the issue overnight. Just like with the Tundra engine machining debris, what was thought to be well away from a failure boundary is too close so something fails on some units. We like to think that Toyota is invincible… really it’s just good compared to most everyone else.

 

[gxsandiego]

Dude, I appreciate you read through all this chit-chat and this was your takeaway. You seem to be one to find the value meal in a food fight. Nice

Well, it kind of stands to reason if I read the post correctly. I don't think that's the case since I have 34's on my GX but what the hell.

 

[Speeedemon99]

1 year ownership, 18,000 miles. Not one single issue ( hope I did not Jinx myself )

 

[LCMud]

I just checked multiple AI sources as well. Some initially claimed that the US engine is used in Land Cruisers, but none could provide a source and backtracked when I followed up. Others said immediately that it doesn't use a US build engine. My conclusion is that I don't know (I was genuinely curious) and, as usual, no one should use current AI LLMs for reliable answers. By design LLMs produce plausible sounding answers that are likely to be believed by anyone who isn't an expert. (I'm a physicist, I've never gotten an accurate answer from an LLM about even basic physics questions.)

Some samples of the answers:

ChatGPT rambled on quite a bit in the middle, here's the first paragraph and conclusion: "I couldn’t find any credible source confirming that the T24A-FTS engine used in Land Cruisers is built in the U.S. In fact, available information suggests that the Land Cruiser (2024 model and similar) is still assembled in Japan (Tahara & Hino plants) and that the T24A-FTS engine is a Toyota “Dynamic Force” engine developed in Japan. ...

Conclusion​

• No evidence supports that the T24A-FTS engine in Land Cruisers is U.S.-built.
• The best available information indicates it is still Japanese built."

perplexity: "There are no credible sources explicitly stating that the T24A-FTS engine used in Land Cruisers is built in the US or that US-built engines are directly used in Land Cruisers. Official and reliable information confirms the T24A-FTS engine's applications in the Land Cruiser Prado and other Toyota models but does not specify the manufacturing location for Land Cruiser engines.

The T24A-FTS engine is produced in multiple locations globally, including Japan and India (for hybrid versions), but available official sources do not confirm that US-built engines are used in Land Cruisers. Most production of Land Cruiser engines traditionally occurs in Japan. The US Toyota engine plants (like Kentucky or Alabama) build the T24A-FTS variant for other models such as the Tacoma, Lexus NX350, Highlander, and others, but no verified direct claim or manufacturer statement confirms those US-built engines power the Land Cruiser.

In summary, no publicly verifiable, credible source states US-built T24A-FTS engines are used in Land Cruisers; the engine is mainly associated with Japan and other production sites, and Toyota has not officially stated US-built usage for Land Cruisers."

Copilot rambled on quite a bit in the entire response, but the key quote is, "Given that the 2024 Land Cruiser 250 series is assembled in Japan, it's likely that its T24A-FTS engine is also sourced from Japan for that model."

Google Gemini gave very different answers depending on the question. At one point it insisted that even though it could not provide a source, that it was sure the US built engine was used in US Land Cruisers. But when asked for a list of parts and origins it then insisted that the engines are built in Japan, and "Toyota designs and manufactures its engines in Japan." So Gemini didn't really know and was just spitting out BS answers. Which is what the current LLMs do, by design.

Claude initially provided a post from this forum (!!!) as proof the US built engines are used, but when questioned said: "I cannot provide a credible source that definitively confirms US-built T24A-FTS engines are used in Land Cruisers."

I’m a physicist too and we use and test chatGPT on physics problems all the time. I don’t know of one problem stated clearly in detail that it did not solve (eventually) unless it’s a research problem without a solution (yet). It evens writes code (which works) in language of your choice to simulate the physics etc. It’s like having a tireless assistant when you need one.
You are correct you are the final judge on whether or not the answers are contaminated with mis information.

 

[APIOQM]

This sticker that comes on our 250s indicates that the transmission and engine come from Japan.

 

[NoMe cruiser]

It’s one or the other, but means exactly nothing. If it were that simple, Toyota would solve the issue overnight. Just like with the Tundra engine machining debris, what was thought to be well away from a failure boundary is too close so something fails on some units. We like to think that Toyota is invincible… really it’s just good compared to most everyone else.

So yours was built at hino then.

 

[RUN-8]

So yours was built at hino then.

You’re either mentally retarded, or an insufferable troll.

Sad that I have to put a user on ignore, but you provide exactly zero value to any thread I have observed you post in. Just mindless shit posting.

 

[D-mac]

You provided data for two years of sales. I provided data from a single day within your range. I’m not a scientist but I can tell you probably aren’t either.

Correct, every day 100-200 brand new LC250s are sold in the US that don't have transmission issues (assuming Toyota has corrected the issue, or they would stop sales).This % is probably a high estimate of what was a historical failure rate.

 

[ultane]

My electric motor only runs at below 10mph. Here in the US the electric portion is solely for torque and the gasoline engine drive the vehicle over 10mph. I haven’t met anyone here that get anything about 18mpg

Miss Daisy gets 23-28 mpg, routinely..

 

[ultane]

It’s easy to cheat just showing mpg so I like to show range as well. You still have not mentioned where your landcruiser was built. I’m beginning to think you probably don’t even own one and are just here to troll.

Hino plant..