LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL

[RCFTE]

Yep, Jason the meathead. But Jason will do a video about the bronco raptor telling viewers that’s it is worth every bit of $ 95,000.0 new and now Ford dealers can’t give them away or sell them for $ 80,000.00. A 2023 bronco raptor that was $ 95,000.00 MSRP 2 years ago is now selling used for $ 67,000.00, but Jason said it was the greatest and worth every penny !

 

[b407driver]

so,,, here is the US sales unit number for 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Sequoia, Tundra, Lexus GX and LX, along with market overall, from 2005 to 2024. (some numbers here and there might be off, since I did it in like 30min,,, )

LC250 sold 29113 units, which isn't too shabby considering January-March 2024 was zero and April was only 94 units. Lexus GX is also off to a good start as well, and combining Lexus LX unit sales results, it seems like Toyota's decision of not having LC300 series in North America was right, after all. In fact, the TNGA-F platform models have increased US market share by nearly full 1 percent, which is quite a feat.
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Interesting to see how 2025 4Runner sales will unfold. If they can achieve 120-140K units and keep LC250 and GX units around 30K-35K, there will be barely any cannibalization. We shall see.

It's actually quite funny after looking at these 20 year historical sales numbers and then watching some YouTubers videos. Many of them are not even hiding that Toyota (negative) reviews get lot of views and they are just doing it for the "content".

All being said, I love watching Throttle House. That LC and 4Runner content today was pure GEM.

Fun numbers to look at. You can practically see the 15k WRX bros buying a 4Runner after realizing their street car won't get them out of wearing a mask all day. Was great for the raptor light market.

 

[Stage7]

Could we drill down on the “terrible acceleration” complaint for a minute?

At no point has it occurred to me that the power in this vehicle was inadequate. It pulls plenty hard up to highway speed. Maybe it’s a bit more powerful on the low end than the high end of RPM, nothing wrong with that in an off-road vehicle.

The worst published 0-60 I’ve seen is mid-7s, which would be about average for a large SUV, and there have been a few published times faster than that. I had a Tahoe and a 6 cylinder E53 BMW that ran 0-60 in the mid 7s and the LC feels faster. It might not be a rocket ship but I’m not getting where the acceleration would be called out as an issue.

Thoughts?

I find the power to be more than enough. The torque and how it pulls up hills is awesome especially at lower speeds. I purchased the LC for lower speed off road driving and have found no problems staying with traffic on the highway. In my opinion the way it handles is more akin to a refined turbo diesel which is a different approach to driving than a gas vehicle. I find easing into the throttle and letting the hybrid motor do it's job gives me more then enough power. I can't see why people are whining about the power on the internet other than to get viewers.

 

[Doggman1525]

FWIW the thumbnail is clickbait but TFL review is actually mostly positive. Some comments about the relative value of the First Edition model but otherwise pokes fun at other youtubers along the lines of "I'm no expert like Demuro or Cammisa, maybe I'm stupid, but I actually like this truck!" Still, as mentioned above, it's not a good idea to place control of your feelings about anything in the hands of others, best just to go out and enjoy your truck. If you do need some external validation to get you out of bed this morning try this:



TL;DR the LC wins and earns the quote "It's a Land Cruiser, it's tough as F!"

 

[what_have_they_done]

I think 250 need to be thought of as modernized 79 series, and not a successor of 200. Different philosophy, practical and comfortable, but not luxury. Sad that practical is now $60k+ and luxry is $90k+.

 

[RideWithYanu]

I think 250 need to be thought of as modernized 79 series, and not a successor of 200. Different philosophy, practical and confortable, but not luxury. Sad that practical is now $60k+ and luxry is $90k+.

The J250 is neither the successor to the 79 (which is the Heavy Duty series) nor the 200 (which is the Station Wagon series). The J250 is the successor to the 150, which is the Prado series.

The 300 is the successor to the 200 and the 79 (pickup truck variant) is one of the three (alongside the 76 wagon and the 78 troopy) series variants which sit together as the current day representatives of the 70-series.

If we go off of styling and size, I think the J250 is a spiritual successor to the 80 series.

 

[what_have_they_done]

The J250 is neither the successor to the 79 (which is the Heavy Duty series) nor the 200 (which is the Station Wagon series). The J250 is the successor to the 150, which is the Prado series.

The 300 is the successor to the 200 and the 79 (pickup truck variant) is one of the three (alongside the 76 wagon and the 78 troopy) series variants which sit together as the current day representatives of the 70-series.

If we go off of styling and size, I think the J250 is a spiritual successor to the 80 series.

I'm sure this image was here a thousand time:

Logically yes. But vibes wise, it doesn't feel like 150 to be honest. I drove the non us prados and cruisers, 150 is different vibes. Even Toyota positions 250 as more of a split the difference between 70 and 300 series, which makes a ton of sense in terms of where they put the focus on "drivability" and not quality of interior or quantity of cupholders and amenities. It's a cruiser that drives nice on freeway but doeasn't shift or sound nice or have all the amenities. So in a way it has the barebones spirit of 70 and drivability of 300, which what Toyota was going for I assume. Problem is 250 is not a 60k car it's a 50k tops, I only wish for 1958 with leather seats and sway bar disco. Premium is just 20k extra worth of software grr.

 

[RideWithYanu]

I'm sure this image was here a thousand time:
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Logically yes. But vibes wise, it doesn't feel like 150 to be honest. I drove the non us prados and cruisers, 150 is different vibes. Even Toyota positions 250 as more of a split the difference between 70 and 300 series, which makes a ton of sense in terms of where they put the focus on "drivability" and not quality of interior or quantity of cupholders and amenities. It's a cruiser that drives nice on freeway but doeasn't shift or sound nice or have all the amenities. So in a way it has the barebones spirit of 70 and drivability of 300, which what Toyota was going for I assume. Problem is 250 is not a 60k car it's a 50k tops, I only wish for 1958 with leather seats and sway bar disco. Premium is just 20k extra worth of software grr.

Agreed on most points, but I find great value in the LCLC trim pricing.

 

[PC3]

This guy isn't a hater, and preferences the LC to the Tacoma and highest end 4Runner. 100% agree with him.

 

[ctgallosb]

Fun numbers to look at. You can practically see the 15k WRX bros buying a 4Runner after realizing their street car won't get them out of wearing a mask all day. Was great for the raptor light market.

Excellent work. Love all the love from reviewers from the old LCs that never sold. I'd wager none of them actually owned one.

 

[Area 51]

"LC 250 Hate = It’s REAL"​

So is the emerging epidemic of idiot tube influencers preying on the weak minded fools of the planet, primarily located in the devolving USA. Yes.

 

[Altitude]

A bunch of this is general griping about how much cars cost now.

Yes, they cost more than they used to. Everything does. Just wait a few months until these tariffs start to ripple out.

The crucial cost question is what people cross-shop the Land Cruiser against and whether it represents a good value against those cars.

If you’re cross shopping it against a RAV4, just buy the RAV4. Wishing more expensive vehicles were less expensive does not make you happy. The RAV4 is an excellent vehicle at its price point. You will love it.

If you’re cross shopping it against a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you’re looking at a much more comparable price point and an interesting conversation about features, design priorities, and reliability.

If you’re cross shopping it against a Defender, suddenly the Land Cruiser looks attractive because it scratches a similar itch for somewhat less money and almost certainly better reliability both short- and long-term.

If you’re cross shopping it against a Range Rover, or - heavens - a Mercedes G Wagon, just buy the Land Cruiser.

 

[RCFTE]

I'm sure this image was here a thousand time:
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Logically yes. But vibes wise, it doesn't feel like 150 to be honest. I drove the non us prados and cruisers, 150 is different vibes. Even Toyota positions 250 as more of a split the difference between 70 and 300 series, which makes a ton of sense in terms of where they put the focus on "drivability" and not quality of interior or quantity of cupholders and amenities. It's a cruiser that drives nice on freeway but doeasn't shift or sound nice or have all the amenities. So in a way it has the barebones spirit of 70 and drivability of 300, which what Toyota was going for I assume. Problem is 250 is not a 60k car it's a 50k tops, I only wish for 1958 with leather seats and sway bar disco. Premium is just 20k extra worth of software grr.

You need to have your head examined. $ 50,000.00, go buy a bronco sport or a F 150 XL with very few options. The Landcruiser 250 series is very fairly priced for what you are getting in today’s market. Just go shop used LC 200’s with 20-40,000 miles and not taken very good care of.

Again, go get your head examined.

 

[what_have_they_done]

"You need to have your head examined" in what sense? Like medically? If I'm slow or have learning disability or if I had a prior injury or trauma? Can you elaborate reasons for examination, you only stated that I need to do it, but thinking that something is is of $10000 less in value for me prsonally I doubt is a cause for head check up, I can think of far more serious reasons.

 

[RCFTE]

"You need to have your head examined" in what sense? Like medically? If I'm slow or have learning disability or if I had a prior injury or trauma? Can you elaborate reasons for examination, you only stated that I need to do it, but thinking that something is is of $10000 less in value for me prsonally I doubt is a cause for head check up, I can think of far more serious reasons.

Keep babbling.

 

[what_have_they_done]

Keep babbling.

What a miserable personality lol.

 

[RCFTE]

What a miserable personality lol.

Truth hurts.

 

[what_have_they_done]

Truth hurts.

It triggers you.

 

[Doggman1525]

 

[jack520]

thanks for the article .. those posts on youtube are good and if I was okay with signing up for a vehicle that got 15 MPG I would get the GX, but I am not. My dear friend has around 6K on his and gets around 20 .. regenerative breaking does save. I am going to enjoy the vehicle and if I ever find I have the need for smooth speed .. I will jump in my Model Y sport that can do the quarter mile in 12.1 Seconds versus the sluggish 16.1 my existing 2004 4Runner gets or the new LC getting 16.2 seconds..