Disable auto start stop?

[Valsmere]

Being the first hybrid for me I’m truly surprised in a good way by the whole system. Now to be honest I came from an eleven year old Tacoma so I really can’t compare the two. Honestly I love this thing, completely satisfied with my purchase.

 

[MJE]

Do people spend this much without researching their purchase or test driving the vehicle?

I’m sure many do. Unfortunately it’s also possible to research & test drive, focusing only on some criteria, which ultimately leads to disappointment in the end when other important criteria aren’t satisfied. Hopefully at the end of the day OP gets used to the vehicle & satisfaction improves.

 

[BoredomFestival]

I've driven rental cars with auto-start-stop that were maddeningly annoying. This isn't like those.

 

[OzLC]

Do people spend this much without researching their purchase or test driving the vehicle?

I was the first to drive mine, but the dealership let me put 15 miles on it before making the decision. I was expecting the hybrid system to be smoother, but it wasn’t a deal breaker.

Yes, as regards a test drive. In this early point of a release, test drives are rare, or short. I did a great deal of research but there were no unsold rigs to drive. I did get to sit in one (LCLC Premo) and drive one a few miles (1958). You just don't know a vehicle for several hundred miles, if then.

I have an LCLC Premium. Around 500 miles so far. This does not feel like the drivetrain of a $70K vehicle. But what do I know? this is my first vehicle in that price range, and first hybrid. I expected a system more refined though, especially from Toyota. I, like another poster, am disappointed by this drivetrain so far.

 

[KyLandcruiser]

The transmission does start to smooth out as the miles go up. Most Toyota hybrids use a E-CVT which has no gears thus making them smooth. Hopefully some updates come out in the near future to help refine the drivetrain.

 

[Nuke]

The transmission does start to smooth out as the miles go up. Most hybrids use a E-CVT which has no gears thus making them smooth. Hopefully some updates come out in the near future to help refine the drivetrain.

The Landcruiser hybris uses a traditional 8-speed automatic, so not an e-CVT. However, it could certainly become smoother as it becomes broken in.

 

[Altitude]

These posts are hilarious, they shouldn’t be, but they are comedy gold.

Do people spend this much without researching their purchase or test driving the vehicle?

In a word, yes. Car purchases are completely emotional except for a very small subset of people who approach them as tools. The industry has made a sharp turn towards off road vehicles, and a lot of people are buying them before they understand the trade-off that comes against the unibody cars they’ve had before. Someone posted here a while ago that they were disappointed their LC didn’t accelerate and corner like the BMW X3 they traded for it.

Not sure about the OP or the guy who doesn’t like his hybrid engine, or why an engine that cuts IC engine engagement at low speeds is “less of a Land Cruiser” though.

 

[EOD Guy]

There are a lot of posts that crack me up! Several involve stating things that simply don't work the way the poster stated...... not even close to how it actually works. I understand posts where something was stated and later corrected but something along the lines of........ (just an example) I bought some outside molly panels and they didn't come with a roof rack, why would Toyota allow that to happen............

 

[Pavman2473]

It cannot be disabled. Also, if you’re doing it to cut down on wear and tear on the starter, don’t even bother because the engine isn’t using a conventional starter. The electric motor starts the engine. There is a back up starter, but it is only used in an emergency.

Sir. I am not second guessing you. This is my first hybrid. Is there somewhere that talks about it being a non-traditional starter? I’m trying to learn and thank you in advance.

 

[EOD Guy]

Sir. I am not second guessing you. This is my first hybrid. Is there somewhere that talks about it being a non-traditional starter? I’m trying to learn and thank you in advance.

It has 2 starters........
Primary is the electric motor/transmission
Backup is a traditional 12v starter (should the hybrid system fail).

 

[Area 51]

The start stop function is very very well done on the LCs. Almost not noticeable. How the drive train will age is yet to be discovered in general use. Some of us are more interested in trying something newer and requires some creative thinking and open mindedness some not so much. There are plenty of really great vehicles of all types out there these days.
Get what you like and want, then let it sort out over time, if it sorts bad sooner than later,,,,,,, I say again, get what you want.
Don't suffer.

 

[JDD]

Not a fan of the auto stop but I understand it is part of the iForcemax Hybrid deal. I did learn that applying less pressure on the brake peddle when stopped will keep the engine running sometimes. It is a tough balance of pressure to find (to stay stopped and not roll) but it does mostly work. That said, the iForcemax Hybrid system works very efficiently and tbh, if Im not looking at the tach, I usually don't even notice the off/on. Just need to get used to it I guess.

 

[cburkhart]

Has anyone figured out how to disable the auto start stop? I cannot find the typical button that has been in the rest of my vehicles and my auto start stop is beyond proactive!

Put it in tow mode

 

[imann777]

Disabling the system to bypass such feature, would void the warranty.

 

[shoogwhite]

Has anyone figured out how to disable the auto start stop? I cannot find the typical button that has been in the rest of my vehicles and my auto start stop is beyond proactive!

I haven’t read through all the answers so forgive me if I’m a repeat. One solution is manual shifting mode. Engine will stay running with just a tap of the shifter.

 

[KyLandcruiser]

The vehicle can also be put into tow/haul mode. This will keep the engine running.

 

[Captain Trips]

One question for this thread. Why? What do you gain?

 

[ultane]

One question for this thread. Why? What do you gain?

IDK but I wonder if doing so lessens the fuel dilution of the oil(?).

I am sure that someone smarter than I will set me straight.

 

[Bad1975]

IDK but I wonder if doing so lessens the fuel dilution of the oil(?).

I am sure that someone smarter than I will set me straight.

Other way round (if your talking about defeating the start stop), at Idle the fuel system is in open loop which means its not taking data from the O2 sensors and using a pre-programed fuel map. These maps are inherently rich to prevent issues and are used at idle/WOT or sometimes at very heavy engine loading just below WOT )in both cases it's to ensure the safety of the engine components). In closed loop the fuel trims in the map are constantly being modified based on sensor data and current conditions.

Running inherently rich means there will be more unburnt fuel which will lead to fuel dilution in the oil. So by turning the engine off it is preventing that, but the trade off can be most wear occurs during start-up on an engine due to waiting for oil to reach the entire loop.

I wouldn't be concerned with the oil not being present when an engine has just been shut down at operating temp, the amount of time at a stop light isn't significant enough for all the oil to make its way off of all the surfaces and into the sump. I can hear the oil in my 40 series making its way back to the sump when in my garage and it takes around 3-5 minutes for the slow pouring stream sound to stop and 30 minutes for the dripping to stop afterwards.

 

[ultane]

Other way round (if your talking about defeating the start stop), at Idle the fuel system is in open loop which means its not taking data from the O2 sensors and using a pre-programed fuel map. These maps are inherently rich to prevent issues and are used at idle/WOT or sometimes at very heavy engine loading just below WOT )in both cases it's to ensure the safety of the engine components). In closed loop the fuel trims in the map are constantly being modified based on sensor data and current conditions.

Running inherently rich means there will be more unburnt fuel which will lead to fuel dilution in the oil. So by turning the engine off it is preventing that, but the trade off can be most wear occurs during start-up on an engine due to waiting for oil to reach the entire loop.

I wouldn't be concerned with the oil not being present when an engine has just been shut down at operating temp, the amount of time at a stop light isn't significant enough for all the oil to make its way off of all the surfaces and into the sump. I can hear the oil in my 40 series making its way back to the sump when in my garage and it takes around 3-5 minutes for the slow pouring stream sound to stop and 30 minutes for the dripping to stop afterwards.

When I grow up, I want to be smart,.. like you.. and ‘handy’ like EOD Guy.. no shit.