Lexus is having is best sales year since 2005 and it on pace to be the #1 luxury brand in the USA. Clearly it's because of Lexus' superior styling that is appealing to increasing numbers of US buyers.
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.Yeah it has that 100 series with asc vibe.
So, I guess they (70, 250, 200, and 300) all drive like Cruisers. Mostly because they are all Cruisers.
Heavy Duty - 70,
Light Duty - 250, and
Station Wagon - 200/300/LX600-700
No, i don’t look at marketed classifications like that, i just look at what car is and what feeling it has.
By all means, you go by your feefees.
Yea I like to feel good in my car.
Interesting. As evidenced by sales, most folks didn’t like the 200 - too cushy/softs and un-80 series like. Had a 200 for 3 years and an 80 for 30+ years. If appears the 250 is more of a modern version of the beloved 80 series.
Economy version of 80
Agree. I love the 60- and 80-series, which is why I jumped on the 250-series as the logical successor (which Toyota states as well).
Having owned an 80, I support this statement. I get that the 250 is the current gen of the Prado line, but when I look at and drive mine, it always reminds me of my 80.
"Yeah, well, you know that's just like, uh, your opinion, man."
- The Dude
I think its Toyota's opinion, its literally cheaper.
Stand by his choice? I know him personally, he also owns a LC250 too, perhaps the most modded 250 in the world.
The Stelvio is not a great looking suv either. I think you might just be enthralled by the Vulva grill. All sports SUVs have an identity crisis. They don't do anything well. But women like them because they sit up high. Give them a high performance engine and the husband will be on board too.
...all in good fun.
I thought station wagons died around 1996 with the last Buick Estate wagon...hehe oh yea, the germans continued them but I would NEVER have thought of an LC as a station wagon. That is like the 4 dr coupe BS we endure courtesy of germany. SUV has been beaten to death also. Maybe LC need to redefine itself as an SOV (Sport Offroad Vehicle) with SOB abilities
Wow, no sense of aesthetics I guess. LC250 is not a beauty queen but it is a highly functional unit.Stand by his choice? I know him personally, he also owns a LC250 too, perhaps the most modded 250 in the world.
The Stelvio is not a great looking suv either. I think you might just be enthralled by the Vulva grill. All sports SUVs have an identity crisis. They don't do anything well. But women like them because they sit up high. Give them a high performance engine and the husband will be on board too.
LC200 "sales" are presented inaccurately*. The dealers sold every one they got, Toyota didn't import a lot of them.
*I read an article once and the LC200 was presented as the 6th worst selling vehicle, simply using "sales" numbers. The article was flawed in that it didn't include imported numbers. Toyota had sold every LC200 imported to the US for that year. They weren't just sitting around on lots.
I didn't buy a LC200 because I didn't like the ride and I thought the tech was completely dated, I would have rather had it w/o the tech if they weren't going to update it. It wasn't "quaint" or "old school", it was garbage. Anyone remember the horribly outdated rear seat screens, they were and looked terrible, and god help you if you broke one, and for a while they forced you to accept them on the vehicle, the ones around here at least. Anyway, if you bought one and still have it, you have done well on resale value. The LC200 is a great vehicle and a poor seller it was not.
For the US market, the LC250 is an improvement. The LX600/700 is nice, but they need to fix the jacked up dash.
The 70 Series is great FWIW, I love it, but you wouldn't want to drive it around the US as your daily, most people wouldn't at least.
Ok. You must be fun at parties!
To me, Toyota didn't import more LC200s in the USA...because they did not sell well. Toyota built more of the Lexus LX version J200 instead, because more US buyers bought them. A conspiracy to under report LC200 sales is interesting though!
I was just learning how Toyota USA reported LC250 sales tanked almost 60% in July '25 vs July '24, maybe it's a new way to make Lexus look better again
.Thanks. I would be skeptical of that article. To believe in the article’s accuracy, one would have be conclude that Toyota Motor Corporation, a for profit business, grossly underestimated the popularity of the LC200 and LC300 and the buying power of the American people in world’s strongest economy. I believe it didn’t sell well because Americans just didn’t like it. Other countries did, Americas (at least in large numbers) did not. I wish they had not pulled it from the US market, but Toyota made a business decision that offering both the 300 and LX was not in the best interest of Toyota.
"I didn't buy a LC200 because I didn't like the ride and I thought the tech was completely dated, I would have rather had it w/o the tech if they weren't going to update it. It wasn't "quaint" or "old school", it was garbage. Anyone remember the horribly outdated rear seat screens, they were and looked terrible, and god help you if you broke one, and for a while they forced you to accept them on the vehicle, the ones around here at least. Anyway, if you bought one and still have it, you have done well on resale value".
I looked at them...briefly. I am a long distance driver. 13/18/15 mpg ratings made it just about the worst vehicle on the market for gas short of a few trucks in that same ballpark. Getting 15mpg in the winter driving thousands of miles...No thanks. even my RRS and RR got 20-21 mpg in the winter at 75-80 mph. It was ironic that a 2016 Land Cruiser cost more than my Range Rover sport HSe of that vintage. I know the resale folks are going to, correctly chime in, but after 5+yrs I got 40K for it thanks to COVID. 56% at 5++yrs..not bad. My 110K 2021.5 range Rover Westminster just sold by me for 50K after 4.5yrs. Again...45% no complaints. It was an amazing, trouble free vehicle as all of my British vehicles have ever been...but we realized it was just too big. Probably would have felt the same about an LC200 or its overpriced Lexus twin.
The point here is I keep saying I was the demographic for LC200/Lexus LX600? but neither were even a consideration on mileage first off, on styling and outdated tech secondly. No doubt they are bullet proof reliable , but after 5yrs, I usually am ready for something fresh. maybe when I slow down in a few more years, our LC250 will be that keeper for our nasty winters up at Sugarloaf and living on the side of a dirt road.
They only brought in LC200 vehicles as orders occurred, just like they are doing with LC250. My one surprise is on Car Gurus, how few LC-LCs are For Sale at the same time there are a ton of 1958s available.(900+) It is definitely deal making time on 1958s and throwing out upper 40s numbers at sales people is definitely in the cards. $49999 should be easy.
I looked at them...briefly. I am a long distance driver. 13/18/15 mpg ratings made it just about the worst vehicle on the market for gas short of a few trucks in that same ballpark. Getting 15mpg in the winter driving thousands of miles...No thanks. even my RRS and RR got 20-21 mpg in the winter at 75-80 mph. It was ironic that a 2016 Land Cruiser cost more than my Range Rover sport HSe of that vintage. I know the resale folks are going to, correctly chime in, but after 5+yrs I got 40K for it thanks to COVID. 56% at 5++yrs..not bad. My 110K 2021.5 range Rover Westminster just sold by me for 50K after 4.5yrs. Again...45% no complaints. It was an amazing, trouble free vehicle as all of my British vehicles have ever been...but we realized it was just too big. Probably would have felt the same about an LC200 or its overpriced Lexus twin.
The point here is I keep saying I was the demographic for LC200/Lexus LX600? but neither were even a consideration on mileage first off, on styling and outdated tech secondly. No doubt they are bullet proof reliable , but after 5yrs, I usually am ready for something fresh. maybe when I slow down in a few more years, our LC250 will be that keeper for our nasty winters up at Sugarloaf and living on the side of a dirt road.
They only brought in LC200 vehicles as orders occurred, just like they are doing with LC250. My one surprise is on Car Gurus, how few LC-LCs are For Sale at the same time there are a ton of 1958s available.(900+) It is definitely deal making time on 1958s and throwing out upper 40s numbers at sales people is definitely in the cards. $49999 should be easy.
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