Range is a real problem - I'm heading to do the Trans Tiaga Road this month

Not trying to offend anyone's knowledge, if you know, then you know.......... Think of the charcoal canister like a last ditch effort to prevent raw fuel particles/vapor from venting into the atmosphere, the canister/purge system can only handle so much before it becomes clogged/saturated and can no longer perform it's job. It was designed to handle vapors not liquid, it's not going to suddenly fail if you overfill the tank but repeatedly it's not good for it either and if at every fill up, one stuffs the system it will, overtime, prematurely fail and throw a CEL. So for those that want to stuff their tank, I say go for it, as it's your vehicle do with it what you wish.

Bad advice is just that...............
Where is it located on our LC250? That will tell you everything you need to know. My research tells me it is above the fuel tank. Therefore, as long as you don't stuff it up the neck, NO PROBLEM. It's not like its a sealed fuel pump that drives the fuel in under pressure and can push fuel UP. Gravity comes to mind here. I am not promoting stuffing car to overflow. I am simply saying many pumps, especially with a high fill rate, shut off quite early. Continuing to fill at a moderate rate is not stuffing the car. When you get to know your vehicle, you usually use a sufficient slow rate till it clicks again. My RR, was within a few tenths. My Stelvio is 1.5 gallon every time. Neither are full to overflow. My baffled tank Evora took forever to top up and I never did fill it to the brim. But it easily took an extra gallon. I know I know. EOD you make it sound like the canister is much lower and more easily filled with fluid than current design usually allows. That canister was at neck height in my Evora, for example. Please show me the data saying this is a recurrent problem. Maybe offroading at a 30 degree incline is FAR more likely to cause this issue...maybe...I don't know that....but gravity would suggest this esp if canister is in front of tank and you are going downhill for example........so if not stuffing your tank makes the most sense, it would be if offroading and on varied steep terrain because gravity always wins.

So your advice carries no validity sir. No more than mine. It seems the most common cause of failure is getting plugged over time along with cracks and contamination. Seems overfilling gets mentioned, but little is done to prove this.
 
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One problem with driving by tachometer and not speedometer is that the focus is entirely in the wrong place. Roads are governed by speed limits, not tach readings or gas mileage goals. The focus should be on driving well and safely, and if good gas mileage results then great. But driving 62 to maximize gas mileage when the speed limit might be 65 or more is both unsafe and a nuisance.
By that logic for maximizing safety, why shouldn't the driver ignore the posted speed limit or speedometer and just match the speed of surrounding traffic?

There is a reason race cars dont have speedometers. If you never learn how to drive by tachometer then you will never master the vehicle.

Instead of you driving it, the vehicle is driving you. 🏎️ :)
 
Not trying to offend anyone's knowledge, if you know, then you know.......... Think of the charcoal canister like a last ditch effort to prevent raw fuel particles/vapor from venting into the atmosphere, the canister/purge system can only handle so much before it becomes clogged/saturated and can no longer perform it's job. It was designed to handle vapors not liquid, it's not going to suddenly fail if you overfill the tank but repeatedly it's not good for it either and if at every fill up, one stuffs the system it will, overtime, prematurely fail and throw a CEL. So for those that want to stuff their tank, I say go for it, as it's your vehicle do with it what you wish.

Bad advice is just that...............
I agree with the substance of this yet I wonder about removing the evap system entirely. I do this on all of my motorcycles and am aware it conflicts with air quality requirements. I know how to do it on a bike but am less certain about doing on a car.
By that logic for maximizing safety, why shouldn't the driver ignore the posted speed limit or speedometer and just match the speed of surrounding traffic?

There is a reason race cars dont have speedometers. If you never learn how to drive by tachometer then you will never master the vehicle.

Instead of you driving it, the vehicle is driving you. 🏎️ :)
i didn’t say maximizing safety, i did say not focusing on maximizing mpg. There should be a focus on safety and driving well and not being selfish by holding up others for the vanity of a private mpg goal that may well directly impair safety (e.g., going 62 when the speed limit may be 65, 70, or more). In most states matching speeds of ambient traffic is taught and expected. And of course these are not race cars and we’re not driving on a track, which I do often and understand all of the distinctions.
 
Not my fault.......... But should you care to google it, it confirms what I have know for years.
I DID...I have 39 vehicles worth of experience doing it...within reason. Keep finagling. Google AI just regurgitates the easiest to access idiot. I will stand by my experience. Peace. Many design engineers are more interested in fitting a square tank in a space with little regard to how well it actually safely fills. You never commented on the inclination insight which was actually serious. I have seen plenty of engineering stupidity in my day......those bros must be laughing at the sheep that follow guidance with no substantive substance. PROVE IT! This is not a 1974 Buick Lesabre with a tank a foot off the ground and the charcoal canister at bottom of engine bay. Fill one of those forward downhill and you most certainly will flood the canister. hat is where much of the beliefs originated...and I didn't need a google search to know this.......I had one and it was the beginning of that era....lots of stupid engineering at beginning of emissions era. You filled it downhill and quickly realized everything wreaked of gasoline. That would be the one time EOD would want to be on alert.
 
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I agree with the substance of this yet I wonder about removing the evap system entirely. I do this on all of my motorcycles and am aware it conflicts with air quality requirements. I know how to do it on a bike but am less certain about doing on a car.

i didn’t say maximizing safety, i did say not focusing on maximizing mpg. There should be a focus on safety and driving well and not being selfish by holding up others for the vanity of a private mpg goal that may well directly impair safety (e.g., going 62 when the speed limit may be 65, 70, or more). In most states matching speeds of ambient traffic is taught and expected. And of course these are not race cars and we’re not driving on a track, which I do often and understand all of the distinctions.
You have a false assumption. What if the vehicle is driving 62 MPH in a 55 MPH zone which is standard for two lane highways in the US. Then the danger would be exceeding the speed limit.

I made no assertion as to what speed someone should drive only that I observe about 28 MPGs at 1,500 RPMs running about 62 MPH in good driving conditions. Maybe that is useful for someone trying to stretch out their range on a trip.

Anyway, I thought the topic of this thread was gas mileage not driving etiquette?
 
I DID...I have 39 vehicles worth of experience doing it...within reason. Keep finagling. Google AI just regurgitates the easiest to access idiot. I will stand by my experience. Peace. Many design engineers are more interested in fitting a square tank in a space with little regard to how well it actually safely fills. You never commented on the inclination insight which was actually serious. I have seen plenty of engineering stupidity in my day......those bros must be laughing at the sheep that follow guidance with no substantive substance. PROVE IT! This is not a 1974 Buick Lesabre with a tank a foot off the ground and the charcoal canister at bottom of engine bay. Fill one of those forward downhill and you most certainly will flood the canister. hat is where much of the beliefs originated...and I didn't need a google search to know this.......I had one and it was the beginning of that era....lots of stupid engineering at beginning of emissions era. You filled it downhill and quickly realized everything wreaked of gasoline. That would be the one time EOD would want to be on alert.
We get it, you know more than everyone else. 🙄

Anyway, moving on…
 
I DID...I have 39 vehicles worth of experience doing it...within reason. Keep finagling. Google AI just regurgitates the easiest to access idiot. I will stand by my experience. Peace. Many design engineers are more interested in fitting a square tank in a space with little regard to how well it actually safely fills. You never commented on the inclination insight which was actually serious. I have seen plenty of engineering stupidity in my day......those bros must be laughing at the sheep that follow guidance with no substantive substance. PROVE IT! This is not a 1974 Buick Lesabre with a tank a foot off the ground and the charcoal canister at bottom of engine bay. Fill one of those forward downhill and you most certainly will flood the canister. hat is where much of the beliefs originated...and I didn't need a google search to know this.......I had one and it was the beginning of that era....lots of stupid engineering at beginning of emissions era. You filled it downhill and quickly realized everything wreaked of gasoline. That would be the one time EOD would want to be on alert.
Bless your heart.........
 
Funny my 1988 fj62 landcruiser has a real problem when you overfill the gas tank. It backs up into the charcoal canister and creates a clog which in turn creates a huge vacuum seal so when you undo the gas cap it makes a huge woosh sound. The only way to declog it and make it work again is to spray brake cleaner down into the charcoal canister where there are little ball valves that get gunked up with the fuel overflow problem. The problem is with all that pressure a full tank of gas backs up and leaks out the gas cap regardless how well it is sealed. Over years it ruins the paint. Mine is clearly ruined as are a lot of original landcruisers. Huge obvious stain marks coming out of the gas cap down the paint. It leaves a puddle on the ground when full in hot sun if the charcoal canister hsan't been cleared in awhile and overfill of fuel. Its a problem on almost every landcruiser model to date. Don't believe me go to ih8mud and type in charcoal canister.
 
Funny my 1988 fj62 landcruiser has a real problem when you overfill the gas tank. It backs up into the charcoal canister and creates a clog which in turn creates a huge vacuum seal so when you undo the gas cap it makes a huge woosh sound. The only way to declog it and make it work again is to spray brake cleaner down into the charcoal canister where there are little ball valves that get gunked up with the fuel overflow problem. The problem is with all that pressure a full tank of gas backs up and leaks out the gas cap regardless how well it is sealed. Over years it ruins the paint. Mine is clearly ruined as are a lot of original landcruisers. Huge obvious stain marks coming out of the gas cap down the paint. It leaves a puddle on the ground when full in hot sun if the charcoal canister hsan't been cleared in awhile and overfill of fuel. Its a problem on almost every landcruiser model to date. Don't believe me go to ih8mud and type in charcoal canister.
Like I said before, bad design (1988). Exactly what I was saying. If it is the OE canister, it is probably shot anyway.
 
My biggest disappointment in this vehicle is the range. WIth a rooftop tent and slightly upsized AT tires my fuel economy is about 14-15mpg. You can only put about 15 gal into the stupid thing so range can be as low as 210 miles and that is not leaving some reserve. I'm going on this trip with friends and I actually embarrased for this Land Cruiser that can't go even 250 miles between fuel stops.

As soon as I "sign in" to enter the backcountry at Matagami I won't even be able to make it the first (easiest) paved leg up the James Bay road to Relais Routier to "start" the trip as that is a 236 mile leg. I'll need to get into a fuel jug before we even reach the first stop.

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Then after visiting Hudson Bay and Radison I can't make it from Radison to the next remote fuel stop which I understand is a pretty informal/remote place about half way out the Trans Tiaga.

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From there at MINIMUM i want to get to the end of the road and back to this same place for fuel. That is AT LEAST 382 miles not counting side trips or exploring the remote road south from the end of the Trans Tiaga. I need close to DOUBLE the range of the vehicle. And we want to go exploring on side quests etc so the situation is actually far worse.


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This problem can't be solved by 1 or 2 or even 3 jerry cans. I think I need to carry at minimum 4x5gal cans and even then I will need to keep a close eye on things. Luckily one of my buddies is doing the trip in a pickup and he said I can throw fuel in the truck bed. I think I'm just going to get a 4-pack of VP Racing fuel jugs. If it were not for my buddy carrying the fuel for me I'm not sure I would be making this trip in this supposed "Land Cruiser."

I think the range is almost a deal breaker for me. I will admit I had not considerd it fully when purchasing the vehicle. I wish I could have gotten the diesel and forget the hybrid. Though I will admit that I like the integrated high output inverter.
Hi buddy, thanks for sharing so many amazing details. I am stuck with my 8 to 4 cubicle job. I consistently get 430+ plus miles with each tankful.
I have LC LC PREMIUM package, bought in July 2024. 1) I use ,not premium, but regular Sam's Club gas. 2)my LC is 100% stock. 3)I check tire pressure regularly4) I do not drive in the Left lane 5)I drive below 60mph6)I do not carry junk in my car. Hope your mileage improves
 
Stock LC Premium with FE roof rack. On a long trips I drive about 350 miles without any worries and then start looking for a gas station. Use to look for a gas station after 320 miles with my previous 4Runner Limited. So far so good...But even in remote areas like North Maine I never venture into "wilderness" of logging roads for more than 60 miles one way from a main road. So your results may vary.
 
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