First World Problems?

[gwp]

As far as i know Broncos are still made in the Us.
Regarding vehicle mfg you are being generous by saying they are 1st world. hasn't been true for some time.
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Perhaps you misunderstood my intent with that metaphor.

A "first world problem" is a trivial complaint or minor inconvenience experienced by people in wealthy countries, contrasted with the more severe issues faced by people in poorer nations. The term is often used facetiously to acknowledge a moment of privilege by recognizing one's fortunate circumstances.

Most of the issues see on THIS forum are "first world problems", at least in comparison to the issues seen on the Bronco forum where things go sideways more often. And yes, all Broncos are made in Wayne, Michigan. The transmission I had replaced was, btw, made in China.

 

[ultane]

First post. Dumped my 22 Bronco a month ago for a 25 LCLC, and changed forums. I’m amused by the different forum content…

Bronco6g.com

• broken tie rods and steering boxes (replaced my TRs)
• noisy, rattly and delaminating roofs (lived with the noise)
• failing manual trans (replaced at 15k)
• broken V6 valves
• failing V6 cam phasers
• rattling windows (lived with it)
• rear shock reservoirs falling off, recall with no parts available (never fixed)
• OEM tires throwing rocks / chipping paint (lived with it)
• broken windshields galore
• many many many bedazzled mall crawler builds.
• expensive builds to run 37s
• lousy towing capability 3500lbs
• trail mayhem (I may have hit a tree).
• dealer mischief
• competitive Jeep anxiety

Land Cruiser Forum

• obsession over mileage and gas tank size (btw, the tank on my Bronco was 16 US Gal, w worse gas mileage.)
• squeaky brakes
• anxiety over tire choice and mild lifts
• and, ummm, nothing else of concern. Comparatively, most are little first world problems.

I am not here to trash Ford. I really loved my Bronco while I had it. It was a 2 door, 4 banger, manual, with 35s and a little beast on and the trails. But, at 68, it was time to grow up. If you ever get frustrated with your LC suggest you head over to Bronco6g. You’ll feel better.

Welcome to the asylum.

 

[ultane]

Welcome to the Jungle!

FORD = Found On Road Dead........ just say'in

Fix Or Repair Daily

My 2015 Transit 350 cargo van (LWB, extended body, tall roof) was a beast. Could pull the barn down. Driving it down the interstate, it was loud, like being inside of a bass drum loud. But in 115,000 miles, I never knew if the windshield washers were going to work when I turned them on. The rear brake calipers were mounted upside down, and on the wrong side(s) of the van. The air box leaked water into the box, saturated the filter element (which then disintegrated, getting sucked into the intake system). The drivers side of the van windshield dumped gallons of water directly onto the ECM in front of the firewall. It had a habit of the passenger side door handle falling off. And after many years of Ford being in the RED, the new CFO promised to turn the company around overnight. He did so by denying warranty repair claims. I could go on..

But.. it lasted long enough for me to find Miss Daisy !!


Anyone want to buy a well used 2015 Tranny?

 

[ultane]

Are Fords really that bad? I was cross-shopping them when I was looking for my first body-on-frame and aside from the tranny issues early on, I thought they were largely reliable vehicles?

Not in decades.. Quality is NOT job one.

 

[Sugarloafer80]

This will be my 1st Toyota vehicle . I have a lot of experience with their motors I'm my 4 Lotus over the years. Most survived my hard driving quite well. Hope this vehicle lives up to the hype and allure of the brand!

 

[Thx_1158]

Not in decades.. Quality is NOT job one.

Don’t know about Fords proper but our Lincoln Aviator is screwed together quite well. Since getting it in late 23 as a 24 it’s been bulletproof. There have been several very minor safety recalls, but the twin turbo six is a great engine and the ride is wonderful.

 

[Sugarloafer80]

Don’t know about Fords proper but our Lincoln Aviator is screwed together quite well. Since getting it in late 23 as a 24 it’s been bulletproof. There have been several very minor safety recalls, but the twin turbo six is a great engine and the ride is wonderful.

That was on my short list, but in the infinite wisdom of the American auto industry, you can't order one as you want it. In my case, no 3rd row was wanted. I even said to take it out and throw in the dumpster...they have no flat surface to install in its place. My SUVs aren't for family, they move stuff.

 

[Markarian421]

broken windshields galore

We get a little of that too…

An 80’s V8 Mustang eventually convinced me to buy a Toyota 4x4 pickup when I realized loan payments would be considerably less than my average annual repair costs. The LC is my fourth Toyota truck since that. Still, if they’d come out with a hybrid (especially a plug in hybrid) Bronco before the current Land Cruiser was announced, I’d probably have one. They didn’t, and once the Broncos got into years 2 and 3 and Ford still hadn’t addressed some of the basic issues, my enthusiasm for the Bronco dropped considerably.

 

[imann777]

Nothing like the old Bronco. New ones are just fad. Never reliable

 

[Trail250]

First post. Dumped my 22 Bronco a month ago for a 25 LCLC, and changed forums. I’m amused by the different forum content…

Bronco6g.com

• broken tie rods and steering boxes (replaced my TRs)
• noisy, rattly and delaminating roofs (lived with the noise)
• failing manual trans (replaced at 15k)
• broken V6 valves
• failing V6 cam phasers
• rattling windows (lived with it)
• rear shock reservoirs falling off, recall with no parts available (never fixed)
• OEM tires throwing rocks / chipping paint (lived with it)
• broken windshields galore
• many many many bedazzled mall crawler builds.
• expensive builds to run 37s
• lousy towing capability 3500lbs
• trail mayhem (I may have hit a tree).
• dealer mischief
• competitive Jeep anxiety

Land Cruiser Forum

• obsession over mileage and gas tank size (btw, the tank on my Bronco was 16 US Gal, w worse gas mileage.)
• squeaky brakes
• anxiety over tire choice and mild lifts
• and, ummm, nothing else of concern. Comparatively, most are little first world problems.

I am not here to trash Ford. I really loved my Bronco while I had it. It was a 2 door, 4 banger, manual, with 35s and a little beast on and the trails. But, at 68, it was time to grow up. If you ever get frustrated with your LC suggest you head over to Bronco6g. You’ll feel better.

I'm in two different facebook groups to hear in local AZ, a 4runner group and a Bronco Group. The bronco group is mainly older crowd and a lot of people driving sasquatch packages. The bronco group does more group runs it seems like but the Toyota group may do some but most quietly go about on their own and report back their outings.

 

[Sugarloafer80]

My Ford/ Lincoln history is brief. 99SVT Cobra. Glorious powertrain built on the frame of an old soggy pretzel. Build quality was Jacques Nassar shi!!!yness. Dumped it when I quickly realized my 2004 WRX STI was vastly superior (weren't old Subies bout the worst sh!!boxes out there?). To be fair, if Alfa hadn't given us the absolutely brilliant Stelvio, I thought our 2015 Lincoln MKC punched way above it's weight...but only had it a year....Been in fellow track guys F350 (miserable ride) and F150 Ecoboost ( better but uninspiring)...Bronco honestly doesn't impress beyond it being easy to spot. Our LC250 is one of the most dynamic, standout designs to come around in a LONG TIME in SUV world. I bought mine without a test drive. Never done that in my life...and on a brand I have never owned before...COULDN'T BE HAPPIER! Range Rover should be embarrassed at their nominally better vehicle for 40-50k more

 

[FarooqMCSE]

My Ford/ Lincoln history is brief. 99SVT Cobra. Glorious powertrain built on the frame of an old soggy pretzel. Build quality was Jacques Nassar shi!!!yness. Dumped it when I quickly realized my 2004 WRX STI was vastly superior (weren't old Subies bout the worst sh!!boxes out there?). To be fair, if Alfa hadn't given us the absolutely brilliant Stelvio, I thought our 2015 Lincoln MKC punched way above it's weight...but only had it a year....Been in fellow track guys F350 (miserable ride) and F150 Ecoboost ( better but uninspiring)...Bronco honestly doesn't impress beyond it being easy to spot. Our LC250 is one of the most dynamic, standout designs to come around in a LONG TIME in SUV world. I bought mine without a test drive. Never done that in my life...and on a brand I have never owned before...COULDN'T BE HAPPIER! Range Rover should be embarrassed at their nominally better vehicle for 40-50k more

I agree. Range Rover is just pricey, not superior

 

[Nuke]

I agree. Range Rover is just pricey, not superior

It is possible the Range Rover, with a locking front differential, is a tad more capable in severe off-road conditions? Admittedly, the Range Rover reliability cannot measure up to a LC. Just asking, as even if money was not an issue, would not purchase one.

 

[Sugarloafer80]

I owned a Range Rover, not a Defender. All I did to it was add the Johnson rods to lift it up an extra 1.5 ??2 inches for deep snow. It had more capability than I would ever use. I would go down my driveway in 2+ feet of slabby drifted snow effortlessly. Beautiful fit and finish, terrible touchscreens. Effortless highway ride.Ironically I like the LC seats as much if not more.....Leather Quality on a Westminster was superior no doubt. Depreciation pig sadly, got rid of it at an ideal time. Learned my lesson! No dealers within 2.25 hours of where i will live was the last straw. Cuse the aside.

 

[MSINAL]

First post. Dumped my 22 Bronco a month ago for a 25 LCLC, and changed forums. I’m amused by the different forum content…

Bronco6g.com

• broken tie rods and steering boxes (replaced my TRs)
• noisy, rattly and delaminating roofs (lived with the noise)
• failing manual trans (replaced at 15k)
• broken V6 valves
• failing V6 cam phasers
• rattling windows (lived with it)
• rear shock reservoirs falling off, recall with no parts available (never fixed)
• OEM tires throwing rocks / chipping paint (lived with it)
• broken windshields galore
• many many many bedazzled mall crawler builds.
• expensive builds to run 37s
• lousy towing capability 3500lbs
• trail mayhem (I may have hit a tree).
• dealer mischief
• competitive Jeep anxiety

Land Cruiser Forum

• obsession over mileage and gas tank size (btw, the tank on my Bronco was 16 US Gal, w worse gas mileage.)
• squeaky brakes
• anxiety over tire choice and mild lifts
• and, ummm, nothing else of concern. Comparatively, most are little first world problems.

I am not here to trash Ford. I really loved my Bronco while I had it. It was a 2 door, 4 banger, manual, with 35s and a little beast on and the trails. But, at 68, it was time to grow up. If you ever get frustrated with your LC suggest you head over to Bronco6g. You’ll feel better.

Welcome to forum!
You forgot the LC LC coolbox catastrophic design failure-doesnt keep contents cold if it's below freezing outside.

 

[katekebo]

Let's bring some sanity into this Toyota fan boy discussion.
I have been driving for over 40 years and I have owned:

• 9 Toyotas
• 1 Lexus
• 4 Renaults
• 1 BMW
• 2 Chevrolets
• 2 Volkswagens
• 2 Fords
• 1 Suzuki
• 1 Nissan
• 1 KIA

(We have always been a 2-3 cars household)

All manufacturers make good and bad cars, and difference between the perceived "reliable" and "unreliable" cars is very small.

In my experience the most reliable vehicles I have owned were the 2 VWs and a couple of the Toyotas. They never gave me any problems.
All 4 Renault were also quite reliable as well as both Chevrolets, both Fords, the KIA and the Suzuki.
The BMW was by far the nicest to drive and the reliability was about average, but below the vehicles listed above.
The Nissan was below average, too.
As for the Toyotas, most were average, two were very good and two were actually the least reliable cars I have ever owned, with serious mechanical problems. My wife's RAV4 had two (!) transfer cases and the transmission replaced before it reached 42k miles. And the other was an FJ Cruiser that had several issues, including transfer case failure around 50k miles and driver's seat replacement at about 20k miles because the seat adjustment mechanism failed.
These two Toyotas were the only vehicles with serious drivetrain problems. As for the other vehicles, all the problems were minor and easy to fix: things like an alternator, a relay, a starter or a door lock actuator, but never an engine or a transmission.
Honestly, in my personal experience Toyota really doesn't stand out in terms of reliability, and is below average when it comes to driving experience. And Toyota's customer service is probably the worst of all the brands I have owned. Toyota dealers and Toyota corporate behave as if one should be grateful for driving a Toyota and that they are doing you a huge favor by allowing you to buy one. On the other hand, VW's and Renault's customer service were outstanding.
So for those who will ask why I keep owning Toyotas, the answer is that due to some odd financial arrangement I can get them very cheap, we'll below what I would have to pay for other brands. The only downside is that I cannot resell them and have to keep them for at least 3 years.
If it wasn't for the special financial arrangement and based on my experience with all these different brands I wouldn't be driving a Toyota as most other brands are nicer to drive, have better customer service and there really isn't any significant reliability difference. At least this has been my experience.

 

[RideWithYanu]

Alrighty then

 

[Nuke]

I certainly agree that the Toyota arrogance, both at the dealer and corporate level, is terrible. Sadly, they can get away with it, dominating the market. However, not in your case, but statistically Toyota/Lexus have proven to be the most reliable brands, and VW one of the least. This said, loved the VW's we have owned over 60 years of MANY vehicles. Even a BMW, and agreed, it was the most fun to drive, but out of warranty they can drain one's bank account, just with routine maintenance.