Doug Rips Us Again

[PA-Cruiser 200]

Not sure what you consider 'terrible' gas mileage? I'm getting ~22mpg combined, and that's with my lead foot on the highway. I understand folks who are getting way below the advertised mpg are not happy, and I would be unhappy as well if i were them.

With just about a month in the seat and 2600 miles on it, I’ve seen 20.2 on a 5 hour highway trip. Coming home on that trip I was getting a solid 15.8. Crazy headwinds and 75-80 mph. But combined, I haven’t seen anything greater than 18-19. Only running premium fuel and I’m very gentle on the throttle. IDK, maybe I should have waited for ‘26. Overall, a comfy vehicle, looks great, is peppy. With that, I’ll wait to make my final comments in like 6 months, when the weather is nicer! ;-)

 

[D-Train]

With just about a month in the seat and 2600 miles on it, I’ve seen 20.2 on a 5 hour highway trip. Coming home on that trip I was getting a solid 15.8. Crazy headwinds and 75-80 mph. But combined, I haven’t seen anything greater than 18-19. Only running premium fuel and I’m very gentle on the throttle. IDK, maybe I should have waited for ‘26. Overall, a comfy vehicle, looks great, is peppy. With that, I’ll wait to make my final comments in like 6 months, when the weather is nicer! ;-)

You'll likely get better mpg's the more miles you put on it. I just turned 10K and just checked this afternoon at fill-up. 23.1 mpg. This is of course the LC's calculated mpg, not me doing the real calc with miles driven and fuel added. I did reset the overall MPG a few thousand miles ago as well. I get 330-350 mile range, typically, after a fill up.

 

[Jack_]

Friends, this is the answer. Let these clowns do their thing but don't click and drive up the viewership.

Agreed. I've never given this ass-clown a click. I just know he has titles intended to outrage with thumbnails showcasing his clickbait-cheapness and extremely punchable face.

 

[D-Train]

Not sure what Doug means by it doesn't drive "effortlessly" it is full time AWD and has electric power steering. It feels great at 80+ on the highway and drives like a Lexus. Not sure what he meant by this.

Yep.. when I put my foot into, she moves. It has never felt underpowered, or requiring effort by any stretch. The handful of trails I've done this last year, no issue on stock set-up. Seems to do ok (not great) with the crappy OEM Michelins on the snow as well. The more I drive it, the more I've been liking it. My wife wants one now after driving it a bunch.

My only minor complaint is the wind noise on the mirrors at speed... that and the 'hint of heat' heated seats.

 

[LCDakota]

With just about a month in the seat and 2600 miles on it, I’ve seen 20.2 on a 5 hour highway trip. Coming home on that trip I was getting a solid 15.8. Crazy headwinds and 75-80 mph. But combined, I haven’t seen anything greater than 18-19. Only running premium fuel and I’m very gentle on the throttle. IDK, maybe I should have waited for ‘26. Overall, a comfy vehicle, looks great, is peppy. With that, I’ll wait to make my final comments in like 6 months, when the weather is nicer! ;-)

Give it time to break in. I started at 18 mpg and now I’m up to 21-23 mpg with heavy Falken WP AT4ws at 5600 miles/6 months of ownership. Various terrains driven.

 

[robsurfskate]

no further comments from me on this jack ass.

 

[AlexGates]

Hey buddy, ease up on the Tacoma. It’s a good truck. I should know we have 2 24’s our family. The same kind of BS crap these YouTube influencers spout about the Land Cruiser. They have also spouted about the Tacoma and you’re just repeating that crap. We have 45,000 miles on a Tacoma with the transmission TSB and have never had a problem with it. I have over 10,000 miles on the other one. And I personally don’t mind the large screen and its placement as a taller driver. I see right over it no problem.

I like the Taco and have considered trading my F150 in on one, except it’s only 7mo old lol. I’m kind of over the full size bit. I wasn't saying it is a terrible vehicle lol.

 

[loop320]

I have both a 200 and this new "Prado". The new one gets terrible gas mileage and is just as thirsty as the 200. Annual cost of fuel consumption is equal or even greater with the new 250 based off the "premium" gas prices. There really is no comparison. The 200 is better, in every way except... the infotainment. That being said, the new 250 is not a competitor to the old 200 or even the 300. The 250 in Japan and Europe get a non-hybrid diesel and gas engine options w/ 3rd row options, but the US. We get the "poverty buttons" of where the 3rd row seat belts go...

I like the 250 so far, but in no way is it a long term vehicle like the 200. Just look at resale values.

Hmmm, are you sure you actually own a 250? I get 25mpg on the highway. If you care so much about gas mileage, you might be buying the wrong vehicles. Resale values?? It's a new vehicle dude, so far they're holding up quite well in the used market. Better in every way? It's not better off road, it certainly doesn't look better, and it definitely didn't sell better, ha ha. Not a long term vehicle? What does that even mean? It's ok not to like it, I'm just wondering why someone would pull the trigger on such an expensive vehicle without doing any research.

 

[PA-Cruiser 200]

Hmmm, are you sure you actually own a 250? I get 25mpg on the highway. If you care so much about gas mileage, you might be buying the wrong vehicles. Resale values?? It's a new vehicle dude, so far they're holding up quite well in the used market. Better in every way? It's not better off road, it certainly doesn't look better, and it definitely didn't sell better, ha ha. Not a long term vehicle? What does that even mean? It's ok not to like it, I'm just wondering why someone would pull the trigger on such an expensive vehicle without doing any research.

Oh, buddy… subjectivism is a thing. I’d unpack all your comments, but they’d fall on deaf ears. However, in reference to why I’d buy such an expensive vehicle… because I can. And, since I own my 250 outright, I can freely like it or admonish it as I please.

The 250 does have a lot of redeeming qualities, while also having some not so redeeming qualities. For you, obviously those shortcomings are fine.

Enjoy your ride… ;-)

 

[loop320]

Oh, buddy… subjectivism is a thing. I’d unpack all your comments, but they’d fall on deaf ears. However, in reference to why I’d buy such an expensive vehicle… because I can. And, since I own my 250 outright, I can freely like it or admonish it as I please.

The 250 does have a lot of redeeming qualities, while also having some not so redeeming qualities. For you, obviously those shortcomings are fine.

Enjoy your ride… ;-)

Your claim that the 200 is "better in every way" isn't subjective? It's just as "thirsty"? LOL. The way you post about having a Prado, with such derision, makes me doubt you have one.

 

[Sugarloafer80]

I personally think he is way off base.

Looks like a PENIS to me

 

[PA-Cruiser 200]

Your claim that the 200 is "better in every way" isn't subjective? It's just as "thirsty"? LOL. The way you post about having a Prado, with such derision, makes me doubt you have one.

It is subjective, I didn’t say it wasn’t, homie! ;-) However, since I own both SUVs, I can attest that there are differences, which I stated. Yes, both are trusty, both will cost you annually about the same $$ to fill up. The 250 weighs like-500 lbs less than the 200, has a smaller tank and takes premium fuel. Both do not get good MPG.

The 250 is comfy. Quick. Agile. The 200 is comfy (heated second row, and has a third row), Lumbersome. Powerful. And, has added features that the 250 does not (ability to lock and unlock from all door handles, auto dimming side mirrors, a tiny bite more storage).

As for off roading… I have yet to see either a 200 or a lightly (excluding the Dissent Off Road $60k build) 250 tackle the Rubicon. But the 250 is still new, so maybe soon…

As I stated, they really aren’t comparable as apples to apples… with that, I think the 200 is better. I do think that the scarcity of 200s makes them more valuable. You are correct, not many were sold. With ample sales of the 250, values will not be as strong in the secondary market. Although, it’s too early to tell and I could be 100% wrong (says my two teenage daughters)…

But you have to admit, even a Bronco has auto dimming side mirrors (funny but not funny)… Come on Toyota… lol

 

[RideWithYanu]

It is subjective, I didn’t say it wasn’t, homie! ;-) However, since I own both SUVs, I can attest that there are differences, which I stated. Yes, both are trusty, both will cost you annually about the same $$ to fill up. The 250 weighs like-500 lbs less than the 200, has a smaller tank and takes premium fuel. Both do not get good MPG.

The 250 is comfy. Quick. Agile. The 200 is comfy (heated second row, and has a third row), Lumbersome. Powerful. And, has added features that the 250 does not (ability to lock and unlock from all door handles, auto dimming side mirrors, a tiny bite more storage).

As for off roading… I have yet to see either a 200 or a lightly (excluding the Dissent Off Road $60k build) 250 tackle the Rubicon. But the 250 is still new, so maybe soon…

As I stated, they really aren’t comparable as apples to apples… with that, I think the 200 is better. I do think that the scarcity of 200s makes them more valuable. You are correct, not many were sold. With ample sales of the 250, values will not be as strong in the secondary market. Although, it’s too early to tell and I could be 100% wrong (says my two teenage daughters)…

But you have to admit, even a Bronco has auto dimming side mirrors (funny but not funny)… Come on Toyota… lol

You and I value very different things in a Land Cruiser. I’m fortunate that Toyota has taken my view that the Prado variants represent the core Land Cruiser design intentions, and switched to that as the NAM offering instead of the station wagon variant. I’m glad you’re enjoying those heated second row seats though!

 

[loop320]

It is subjective, I didn’t say it wasn’t, homie! ;-) However, since I own both SUVs, I can attest that there are differences, which I stated. Yes, both are trusty, both will cost you annually about the same $$ to fill up. The 250 weighs like-500 lbs less than the 200, has a smaller tank and takes premium fuel. Both do not get good MPG.

The 250 is comfy. Quick. Agile. The 200 is comfy (heated second row, and has a third row), Lumbersome. Powerful. And, has added features that the 250 does not (ability to lock and unlock from all door handles, auto dimming side mirrors, a tiny bite more storage).

As for off roading… I have yet to see either a 200 or a lightly (excluding the Dissent Off Road $60k build) 250 tackle the Rubicon. But the 250 is still new, so maybe soon…

As I stated, they really aren’t comparable as apples to apples… with that, I think the 200 is better. I do think that the scarcity of 200s makes them more valuable. You are correct, not many were sold. With ample sales of the 250, values will not be as strong in the secondary market. Although, it’s too early to tell and I could be 100% wrong (says my two teenage daughters)…

But you have to admit, even a Bronco has auto dimming side mirrors (funny but not funny)… Come on Toyota… lol

Fair enough

 

[PA-Cruiser 200]

You and I value very different things in a Land Cruiser. I’m fortunate that Toyota has taken my view that the Prado variants represent the core Land Cruiser design intentions, and switched to that as the NAM offering instead of the station wagon variant. I’m glad you’re enjoying those heated second row seats though!

Doesn’t bother me, but those teenagers like them… lol

 

[RideWithYanu]

Doesn’t bother me, but those teenagers like them… lol

Don’t tell me teen about them - they don’t know what they’re missing!

 

[supernova]

hardly anyone was buying LC before 2024. Toyota is a business and they realized the issue and introduced a cheaper version that people are willing to spend their money on. The purest can import the bigger models if they want
here is the list of total vehicles sold between 2000-2021 you do the math

2000–2021 (from more recent sales data):

• 2000: 15,509
• 2001: 7,591
• 2002: 6,752
• 2003: 6,671
• 2004: 6,778
• 2005: 4,870
• 2006: 3,376
• 2007: 3,251
• 2008: 3,801
• 2009: 2,261
• 2010: 1,807
• 2011: 1,662
• 2012: 2,895
• 2013: 3,082
• 2014: 3,158
• 2015: 2,687
• 2016: 3,705
• 2017: 3,100
• 2018: 3,235
• 2019: 3,536
• 2020: 3,146
• 2021: 3,711

 

[RideWithYanu]

hardly anyone was buying LC before 2024. Toyota is a business and they realized the issue and introduced a cheaper version that people are willing to spend their money on. The purest can import the bigger models if they want
here is the list of total vehicles sold between 2000-2021 you do the math

2000–2021 (from more recent sales data):

• 2000: 15,509
• 2001: 7,591
• 2002: 6,752
• 2003: 6,671
• 2004: 6,778
• 2005: 4,870
• 2006: 3,376
• 2007: 3,251
• 2008: 3,801
• 2009: 2,261
• 2010: 1,807
• 2011: 1,662
• 2012: 2,895
• 2013: 3,082
• 2014: 3,158
• 2015: 2,687
• 2016: 3,705
• 2017: 3,100
• 2018: 3,235
• 2019: 3,536
• 2020: 3,146
• 2021: 3,711

These are specific to an individual market, I assume? And is this including all models or just a specific lineup (station wagons, Prados, etc)?

 

[supernova]

These are specific to an individual market, I assume? And is this including all models or just a specific lineup (station wagons, Prados, etc)?

I just asked chatgpt, how many Landcruiser's were sold in US between 2000 and 2021 . Didnt do the independent search.

 

[RideWithYanu]

I just asked chatgpt, how many Landcruiser's were sold in US between 2000 and 2021 . Didnt do the independent search.

That makes more sense (though I wouldn’t trust ChatGPT to be precise). Toyota barely sold station wagon Land Cruisers in the USA for many, many years. Station wagon purists often consider that a good thing, oddly.