Need info on Ca rules for traveling with pistol

[Marinna]

Sometimes you just know that a response is not in your best interest, but feel a compulsion to address overt attempts to distort intent and meaning. This is one of those cases, and I take no pride in my weak resolve.

Qualifier: I have no personal issue with individuals choosing to not exercise their 2A constitutional guarantee. I also take no issue with individuals possessing beliefs that contradict that constitutional guarantee. I absolutely take issue with individuals judging those individuals who do choose to exercise their constitutional guarantee. I recognize that an individual's 1A constitutional guarantee allows them to possess and share their opinions on other's 2A guarantee. I also recognize that an individual, who has chosen to exercise their 2A constitutional guarantee, and further chosen to ask for advice based upon their recognition that California (as a state, in general context) deliberately takes measures to impede upon that guarantee, should be free to exercise their 1A and 2A guarantees via a simple question, posed to a group of individuals, in an attempt to prescribe to applicable laws. One would expect that henceforth answers would address posed question(s) without judgement, though judgement be 1A guaranteed, for sake of personal self control (aka resolve).

Ok, with that out of the way... here is an in depth analysis of my comment, as it relates to your two prior comments, to see just how much I "Completely missed the point":


Message 1. You said:

- Judgement, arguing against exerciseing one's 2A guarantee.

- Judgement, questioning someone's logic and (one could argue) implying that the individual is making irrational decisions.

- Judgement, with an incredible amount of pretentiousness as though you cannot imagine why the 2A should be so important to someone, and why they care about that more than things you prioritize higher.

- Judgement, and an overt comment to signal that they should care less about their 2A guarantee. There is a cool Gen Z word for this behavior, but I refuse to use it.

Message 2. You said:

- Judgement, pretentiousness, and the need to speak for all of California. Apparently no firearm has ever solved a problem in the entirety of CA, which may or may not be pure opinion...

- Judgement, expressing what you would do, and thus what they should do. Pretentiousness, stating how what you choose to do is principled and therefore better.

- Judgement, proclamation that those who choose to exercise their 2A guarantee with regularity are living their lives wrong. Cleverly reformatted to appear as though it is self reflection. Pretentiousness, questioning where others find safety. Direct projection of how one's 2A exercise does not provide any personal benefit, only the feeling of safety.

- Judgement, pretentiousness, deflection, and an attempt to invalidate others.

Message 3. I said:

- You said you might be juding... and you were

- Response to your continued judgement and invalidation of 2A exercise

- Response to you claiming that firearms only give one "peace of mind"

- Response in recognition that your 1A guarantee, albeit a pretentious exercise of that guarantee

Message 4. You said:

- Judgement and pretentiousness, you are telling others how to feel, what to think, and why their perspective is incorrect

- Pretentiousness, providing supporting data (without supplement) to justify perspective (still not an answer to the OP's question)

- Judgement, pretentiousness, and presumption. Proclaimation of what you do that is better, why it is better, and why what others do is inferior.

Message 5. You said:

- Presumption and justification statement. He did not ask for advise on whether or not he should exercise his 2A guarantee. He specifically asked about state laws to abide, and therefor be a lawful 2A exectutor.

- Judgement, presumption, pretentiousness. Unsolicited at that.

- Jusification statement (again without supplement) with examples that very well could benefit from 2A guarantees

- Judgement, pretentiousness, supposition, personal opinion. No advice, just indoctrinated anti-2A statements.

- Pretentious attempt to deflect with judgement. You never attempted to answer the question, and are the only contrarian in the thread, thus this comment also projects your opinion on the rest of the group.


So, there you have it. Please explain how I

Nobody is arguing your Constitutional right, don’t try to change the subject into a Second amendment debate. This is not at all what was discussed nor asked. Like what I said, if you haven’t learned how to live a week of your life without carry a gun, it’s your business, I am no interest to discuss your choice of lifestyle. My thing is camera, and I have every right to carry my camera everywhere I go. But there are many places I wouldn’t bring my $15000 equipment to. It’s the same situation. Being practical should be an intuitive preference for most people.

The fact that this question even have to be asked here already suggest even the original poster understand there are some implication in different jurisdictions. I am simply offering a practical suggestion. You want to add friction to your travel so you can stand with your lifestyle, go ahead. It is your choice.

 

[DubDub]

Nobody is arguing your Constitutional right, don’t try to change the subject into a Second amendment debate. This is not at all what was discussed nor asked. Like what I said, if you haven’t learned how to live a week of your live without carry a gun, it’s your business, I am no interest to discuss your choice of lifestyle.

The fact that this question even have to be asked here already suggest even the original poster understand there are some implication in different jurisdictions. I am simply offering a practical suggestion. You want to add friction to your travel so you can stand with your lifestyle, go ahead. It is your choice.

I'm gonna just go ahead and re-add you and your AI generated image back to the ignore list. I couldn't remember why I had you there, but you quickly reminded me.

You can't even acknowledge when you've been effectively countered, and still believe you are providing practical suggestions for suggestion's sake. You simply cannot have a rational conversation in the absence of common sense, or an intelligent one in the absence of reason.

 

[Marinna]

I'm gonna just go ahead and re-add you and your AI generated image back to the ignore list. I couldn't remember why I had you there, but you quickly reminded me.

You can't even acknowledge when you've been effectively countered, and still believe you are providing practical suggestions for suggestion's sake. You simply cannot have a rational conversation in the absence of common sense, or an intelligent one in the absence of reason.

If you are so rational why are you keep changing subject into something nobody talked about?

You are more than welcome to ignore my reply. Nobody asked you to respond in the first place. Yet you persistently harassed me in almost every post I shared in this site with completely irrelevant personal attack so I highly doubt that you will do what you said.

Have a good day sir…

 

[kmershly]

Nobody is arguing your Constitutional right, don’t try to change the subject into a Second amendment debate. This is not at all what was discussed nor asked. Like what I said, if you haven’t learned how to live a week of your life without carry a gun, it’s your business, I am no interest to discuss your choice of lifestyle. My thing is camera, and I have every right to carry my camera everywhere I go. But there are many places I wouldn’t bring my $15000 equipment to. It’s the same situation. Being practical should be an intuitive preference for most people.

The fact that this question even have to be asked here already suggest even the original poster understand there are some implication in different jurisdictions. I am simply offering a practical suggestion. You want to add friction to your travel so you can stand with your lifestyle, go ahead. It is your choice.

I think I get your point, which is personal choice and maybe more specifically making the best choice possible to mitigate potentially bad outcomes?

I can only speak for myself, I enjoy shooting for competitive sport (skeet shooting), I do not own a handgun for personal protection, in fact, I am not even sure that I could shoot another human being.

There are times that I have traveled to take part in a competition elsewhere in the USA and I have done the research to understand the relevant laws and ensure that I fully comply with them.

I believe in being a law abiding citizen, I might think any given law is stupid or does not make sense, but if it is the law, I will abide by it.

The person who started this thread was to my read trying to do the responsible thing and understand the relevant laws so that he or she could abide by them, that is the proper thing to do.

Ditto using a camera, while I do not own a fancy camera, I do enjoy using my phone to take pictures, especially of aircraft, it is legal in the USA, as far I as I know in all 50 states to take pictures of aircraft and I routinely take pictures of aircraft at various airports that I am travelling through the USA.

A number of years ago now, I was at New York's JFK airport T4, I was flying DELTA airlines later that evening to GRU (Sao Paulo, Brazil) and my aircraft was parked at the gate, so I took a few photos because the sun was setting and it made for a nice picture of my aircraft. A women comes running over and tells me that I am not allowed to take pictures, I looked at her confused because she did not appear to be any sort of law enforcement, nor even an airlines employee, she was wearing all black. I explained that I am allowed to take pictures, she said no you are not and said that I had to delete the pictures immediately or she would call the Police. As I had time before my flight and I knew I was not breaking any laws, I said to her, go ahead and call the Police.

The Police did come, one Officer spoke to me, the other spoke to the women in black, the Officer who spoke to me, complimented the picture and said that he thought that the specific aircraft looked good in DELTA's livery (aka paint scheme), especially with the sun setting.

He also said that I am not breaking any laws by taking pictures of the aircraft, but the women who reported you, works for EL-AL, the flag carrier of Israel and she is EL-AL internal security. He said, she reports lots of people for taking pictures of any aircraft near the EL-AL aircraft and my partner is once again explaining to her, that it is not illegal in the USA to take pictures of aircraft. He said, take as many photos as you like, but my advice is do not take any pictures of the EL-AL aircraft, although it is not against the law to do so.

His partner came over, explained that the EL-AL security employee is very sensitive about photos of EL-AL aircraft, employees, property, etc. and thus why she called on you, he like his partner, said I was not breaking any laws and even complimented my photo.

I took a few more with the Police standing there, in fact the Officer took a pic of me in front of my aircraft, then they walked with me to the DELTA SkyClub as he warned me that EL-AL security will follow people they think are suspicious and they wanted to prevent that if they could, so by walking with me, EL-AL security would not follow me (at least in theory).

My point, if one wants to do something, at least try and understand the law, I like taking photos of aircraft, I try and understand the law regarding pictures of aircraft, to mitigate any potential negative outcomes of doing something that I enjoy, ditto transporting a gun, I do my research regarding any laws about how to transport firearms, so that I am in compliance with any laws and can have fun taking part in skeet shooting competitions.

 

[TEQJ250]

OP is going to be traveling with his/her constitutional right to bear arms. Honestly, if you don't give LE any reason to pull you over, this is a non issue. If you want to travel "legally" in CA, keep the gun and mag separate.

 

[Marinna]

I think I get your point, which is personal choice and maybe more specifically making the best choice possible to mitigate potentially bad outcomes?

I can only speak for myself, I enjoy shooting for competitive sport (skeet shooting), I do not own a handgun for personal protection, in fact, I am not even sure that I could shoot another human being.

There are times that I have traveled to take part in a competition elsewhere in the USA and I have done the research to understand the relevant laws and ensure that I fully comply with them.

I believe in being a law abiding citizen, I might think any given law is stupid or does not make sense, but if it is the law, I will abide by it.

The person who started this thread was to my read trying to do the responsible thing and understand the relevant laws so that he or she could abide by them, that is the proper thing to do.

Ditto using a camera, while I do not own a fancy camera, I do enjoy using my phone to take pictures, especially of aircraft, it is legal in the USA, as far I as I know in all 50 states to take pictures of aircraft and I routinely take pictures of aircraft at various airports that I am travelling through the USA.

A number of years ago now, I was at New York's JFK airport T4, I was flying DELTA airlines later that evening to GRU (Sao Paulo, Brazil) and my aircraft was parked at the gate, so I took a few photos because the sun was setting and it made for a nice picture of my aircraft. A women comes running over and tells me that I am not allowed to take pictures, I looked at her confused because she did not appear to be any sort of law enforcement, nor even an airlines employee, she was wearing all black. I explained that I am allowed to take pictures, she said no you are not and said that I had to delete the pictures immediately or she would call the Police. As I had time before my flight and I knew I was not breaking any laws, I said to her, go ahead and call the Police.

The Police did come, one Officer spoke to me, the other spoke to the women in black, the Officer who spoke to me, complimented the picture and said that he thought that the specific aircraft looked good in DELTA's livery (aka paint scheme), especially with the sun setting.

He also said that I am not breaking any laws by taking pictures of the aircraft, but the women who reported you, works for EL-AL, the flag carrier of Israel and she is EL-AL internal security. He said, she reports lots of people for taking pictures of any aircraft near the EL-AL aircraft and my partner is once again explaining to her, that it is not illegal in the USA to take pictures of aircraft. He said, take as many photos as you like, but my advice is do not take any pictures of the EL-AL aircraft, although it is not against the law to do so.

His partner came over, explained that the EL-AL security employee is very sensitive about photos of EL-AL aircraft, employees, property, etc. and thus why she called on you, he like his partner, said I was not breaking any laws and even complimented my photo.

I took a few more with the Police standing there, in fact the Officer took a pic of me in front of my aircraft, then they walked with me to the DELTA SkyClub as he warned me that EL-AL security will follow people they think are suspicious and they wanted to prevent that if they could, so by walking with me, EL-AL security would not follow me (at least in theory).

My point, if one wants to do something, at least try and understand the law, I like taking photos of aircraft, I try and understand the law regarding pictures of aircraft, to mitigate any potential negative outcomes of doing something that I enjoy, ditto transporting a gun, I do my research regarding any laws about how to transport firearms, so that I am in compliance with any laws and can have fun taking part in skeet shooting competitions.

I do not advise bring a gun to CA when travel from out of state because CA gun rules is a bit ridiculous. It invalidated why you even need to carry in the first place. Compliance itself is an overhead I do not believe most people can justify with the benefit. For me it is just not practical.

For camera it is the same concept, or if somebody asked me whether we should travel to Toronto Airport with our beloved Land Cruiser I will scream no to anybody. I don’t even drive my Land Cruiser to Vancouver downtown or San Francisco downtown when I travelled there. But it is just me.

 

[TheMightyGoose]

I have a fairly unique and different perspective here. I was a cop in California for 29 years. Which means I carried a gun everywhere I went for 29 years. Never came close to needing it off duty, thankfully. I choose my off duty locations carefully and so far have had good luck despite plenty of knowledge about how fast things can go wrong when they do go wrong. Having said that, carrying a firearm off duty came with extreme hyper vigilance. Everywhere I went. It just became a huge liability, for so many reasons beyond the scope of this conversation. I felt like I was always on duty.

So when I retired, I started to leave the gun in its locker at home and I finally began to relax. It became quite liberating and I learned to just enjoy my surroundings. I occasionally bring it on road/camping trips but it’s spending a lot more time at home. And I’m enjoying myself a lot more because of it. I do carry bear spray in the back country. I actually prefer it over a heavy, hard-to-conceal firearm. I’ve learned over the years where I might need it and carry it only on those occasions (like if you’re picking up a new Rolex at the Rolex store. And even then, are you going to start bullets flying in front of your family over a watch? But doesn’t matter, because I don’t shop at places like that. Nobody gets followed away from the surf shop, LOL). The likelihood of civilian needing a firearm is thankfully quite low, even here in Bizarre-O-Land California. I realize there is an extremely low probability of getting caught without the ability to defend myself someday. But I’m trading that unlikely scenario for the very real probability of enjoying every day just a lot more.

 

[TheMightyGoose]

California is such a legally bizarre place. Carrying a loaded firearm concealed on your person is a misdemeanor. Carrying a fixed blade knife (considered a dirk or a dagger) concealed is a felony (wobbler, which means most often the suspect gets arrested as a felony and the DA has the option to charge as a misdemeanor). Unless that same knife is exposed. Then yer fine. Insert eye roll here. LOL.

 

[TRS]

I have a fairly unique and different perspective here. I was a cop in California for 29 years. Which means I carried a gun everywhere I went for 29 years. Never came close to needing it off duty, thankfully. I choose my off duty locations carefully and so far have had good luck despite plenty of knowledge about how fast things can go wrong when they do go wrong. Having said that, carrying a firearm off duty came with extreme hyper vigilance. Everywhere I went. It just became a huge liability, for so many reasons beyond the scope of this conversation. I felt like I was always on duty.

So when I retired, I learned to leave the gun in its locker at home and I finally started to relax. It became quite liberating and I learned to just enjoy my surroundings. I occasionally bring it on road/camping trips but it’s spending a lot more time at home. And I’m enjoying myself a lot more because of it. I do carry bear spray in the back country. I actually prefer it over a heavy, hard-to-conceal firearm. I’ve learned over the years where I might need it and carry it only on those occasions (like if you’re picking up a new Rolex at the Rolex store. But I don’t shop at places like that. Nobody gets followed away from the surf shop, LOL). The likelihood of civilian needing a firearm is thankfully quite low, even here in Bizarre-O-Land California. I realize there is an extremely low probability of getting caught without the ability to defend myself someday. But I’m trading that unlikely scenario for the very real probability of enjoying every day just a lot more.

Thanks for putting in 29 years out there. LEO's (especially in California) have gotten the shit end over the last few years, but know that there are many out there who still very much appreciate your work. Glad to hear you never had to use your firearm while on duty

 

[Scrappopatamus]

Go to your local building and supply and purchase a Queen Sized Brick, take it home and insert into a sturdy pillow case. You can tote it on your person or place it anywhere in your vehicle. should a situation arise, swing it towards trouble's knee or head, no permit required.

 

[TheMightyGoose]

Thanks for putting in 29 years out there. LEO's (especially in California) have gotten the shit end over the last few years, but know that there are many out there who still very much appreciate your work. Glad to hear you never had to use your firearm while on duty

I actually did get in a shooting on duty. Just haven’t needed it off duty. LOL.

 

[TRS]

I actually did get in a shooting on duty. Just haven’t needed it off duty. LOL.

Yup, looks like it's time for me to fill up another cup of coffee

 

[Bad1975]

What's even crazier about California law (No open carry, except for one county) is they allow open carry by anyone legally allowed to possess a handgun while actively engaged in hunting or fishing (hunting makes sense but the fishing not so much) and while not in vehicular transit to and from the fishing location.

Lots of concealed illegal grow operations in the desert and forested lands that you can't see until your right up on them in that hell hole of a state too, so quite easy to get into the middle of something quite precarious without even trying while out exploring, camping and the like. These are verified Cartel and Foreign nation state operated with armed guards, quite hard to stop them all due to the CA law restrictions and length of time it takes to get the funding and warrants in place to do a raid and destroy the site.

Last I remember when I left that dive in 2019 they lost the ban on high capacity magazines, they were allowed to prevent future sales but couldn't keep people from possessing and using them, that may have changed as I have no desire to ever go back there so not following there ludicrous gun laws and updates on them.

Also quite stupid, they track bullet purchases for reloaders but not powder, brass or primers. The one item you can make in your garage they choose to track and control sales on, all though you'd likely be casting in lead and those can't be legally be fired in California! Just goes to show you how little the law makers understand what they are trying to regulate. Last I checked you can legally possess and use a belt fed AR or similar Semi-auto as it doesn't qualify as a magazine under their laws, crazy unlimited capacity but its not a high capacity magazine so it's ok!?

It's also the only place where I've visited a gun shop (Temecula, CA) where a quad barrel tactical 12GA was on display and for sale. When I first moved there the inspection station didn't ask or care about my guns they were more concerned if I had a legally killed and stuffed from another state cougar hide or mount as those can't be brought into California but they are on prominent display at every department of fish & game I've visited in that state!

All that said, I wouldn't tempt skirting close to any of these as they are just so crazy on the laws but would still exercise my rights if I went there for anything other than work again.

 

[ultane]

It seems that the legislatures are filled with attorneys, who pass unconstitutional laws, which guarantees them a lucrative income, defending law abiding citizens from their unconstitutional laws.

 

[Lineman]

The prohibition against open carry in CA was overturned by the 9th Circuit just a few weeks ago. It”s very probable that Open Carry will be coming BACK to CA in the future..

 

[TheMightyGoose]

Thanks for putting in 29 years out there. LEO's (especially in California) have gotten the shit end over the last few years, but know that there are many out there who still very much appreciate your work. Glad to hear you never had to use your firearm while on duty

Working in law enforcement, you learn something very early in your career: EVERYONE knows how to do your job better than you do. Every. Single. Person. And the better way always lines up perfectly with their political and personal views on life. Once you learn this is something you can't change, you move on and just do your job the best you can.

 

[DubDub]

Working in law enforcement, you learn something very early in your career: EVERYONE knows how to do your job better than you do. Every. Single. Person. And the better way always lines up perfectly with their political and personal views on life. Once you learn this is something you can't change, you move on and just do your job the best you can.

You saying this brings to mind so many Angry Cops episodes I just about spit out my coffee on memory alone

My brother is an LEO out of TX, he shares your sentiment. He and I used to trade stories (I did 25 years in the Navy), and I was able to shock him for about the first five years of comparing. There came a point where I couldn't take anymore just hearing the things he sees on a regular basis. Thank you for your service.

 

[Dre]

OP you can carry your firearm in your car trunk in communist Kali, just separate the firearm from the ammo. I have checked in and picked up firearms in hornady handgun safe with separated but loaded magazines countless times through SFO and Oakland Airport. Long guns in locked Guitar Cases & Pelicans. Also going to shooting ranges & taking classes across Kali.(Former Bay Area resident before uprooting to TX) Good thing is you are carrying a revolver, hence no violation of more than 10 round magazine in your case. If you have TX LTC, reciprocity covers you in most states you will drive through until you cross into Kali. Travel safe & Carry on.... You can also Check nra ila for current regulations in states you will be driving through.

 

[WookieBait]

Getting legal advice from a car forum seems like a pretty bad idea. Just look up the laws and make a decision.

 

[Bighorn Tremor]

Channeling Marianna, you should leave your spare tire at home. You likely won't need it and it is a hassle to access and use. Some kind person will come to your aid or AAA will show up in an hour or so. It's your right.