From TopGear: “might just be the finest car I’ve driven in over 25 years”

Didn’t the SCOTUS Chevron ruling change all that?
I'm not the expert on this, nor am I an expert on the timeline of the rule changes since DPF (and DEF) were mandated in the US. All I think is that through the EPA, the Obama/Biden administration tried to crack down on deletes by targeting the mechanics who were removing emissions systems from diesels - not the drivers having them removed. When Trump was elected, at some point, despite rules remaining in place, the EPA laid off enforcement for the most part. I'm not sure if there was much of a change during Biden's presidency. Today, as far as I'm concerned, the rule is still technically in place. If that has changed, recently, I'm unaware of that. HOWEVER, there's very much a don't ask-don't tell policy if you have a deleted system. And mechanics who enable deletes are still running the risk of being caught, though the risk is much much lower than it used to be. Where you are probably has a lot to do with it as well. You're much safer in Texas than California or Colorado, for instance.

The number of people who delete is higher than most think, but many are a bit hush hush about it. I've talked to three diesel specialists who've said all the emissions equipment hurts performance and is detrimental to longevity - it's important to understand that notion is a generalization. Under good conditions, one can probably make their brand new shiny diesel go pretty far, but still likely not as far as some of those 7.3L Powerstrokes from back in the day. Most will sell before then anyway, so perhaps it doesn't matter from a practical standpoint. If you're like me, philosophically, it's a bummer to see companies engineering these incredibly powerful engines, then bolting on extra equipment that downgrades the product (from an engineering perspective). Remember, it does make the tailpipe emissions cleaner :)
 
Maybe if Toyota only sold diesel LC’s at significantly larger dealerships, in carefully chosen locations, the numbers could be more favorable.. (?)
I think there's still economies-of-scale to worry about. They might have to commit to a certain number of models over the course of a few years. Note how there have been some small(er) diesels in the recent past: Jeeps here and there, Chevy Colorado (GMC Canyon), Ram 1500, Ford F-150, Nissan Titan. All have been offered for a relatively short period of time, and all have been discontinued with the exception of the GM 1500 pickups, to my knowledge. Those GMs could be next. Furthermore, I don't think any of the European manufacturers offer diesel cars in the US anymore. It's a tough sell here. The VW diesel controversy really hurt an already bad market.
 
Maybe if Toyota only sold diesel LC’s at significantly larger dealerships, in carefully chosen locations, the numbers could be more favorable.. (?)
Then less people would buy a LC. Many people are not interested in diesel. For starters, out of 5 gas stations within 2 miles radius from my house, only one sells diesel. Many independent shops don't work on diesel cars. People want convenience and choice. Even among pickup buyers, only about 15% are diesel. Among Jeep Wrangler buyers, only 3% opted for the diesel (while it was offered).
 
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I'm not the expert on this, nor am I an expert on the timeline of the rule changes since DPF (and DEF) were mandated in the US. All I think is that through the EPA, the Obama/Biden administration tried to crack down on deletes by targeting the mechanics who were removing emissions systems from diesels - not the drivers having them removed. When Trump was elected, at some point, despite rules remaining in place, the EPA laid off enforcement for the most part. I'm not sure if there was much of a change during Biden's presidency. Today, as far as I'm concerned, the rule is still technically in place. If that has changed, recently, I'm unaware of that. HOWEVER, there's very much a don't ask-don't tell policy if you have a deleted system. And mechanics who enable deletes are still running the risk of being caught, though the risk is much much lower than it used to be. Where you are probably has a lot to do with it as well. You're much safer in Texas than California or Colorado, for instance.

The number of people who delete is higher than most think, but many are a bit hush hush about it. I've talked to three diesel specialists who've said all the emissions equipment hurts performance and is detrimental to longevity - it's important to understand that notion is a generalization. Under good conditions, one can probably make their brand new shiny diesel go pretty far, but still likely not as far as some of those 7.3L Powerstrokes from back in the day. Most will sell before then anyway, so perhaps it doesn't matter from a practical standpoint. If you're like me, philosophically, it's a bummer to see companies engineering these incredibly powerful engines, then bolting on extra equipment that downgrades the product (from an engineering perspective). Remember, it does make the tailpipe emissions cleaner :)
My speed shop used to specialize in uber powered Diesels. WON"T TOUCH THEM....even pesently...
 
The price of fuel is applicable to all vehicles, but it does hurt a bit. Still, the LC is a great vehicle, and the only one which fits our single-vehicle family total needs.
UK Diesel now £1.958 a litre = £8.90 a Uk gallon

FYI that’s $9.85 in US gallons/$.

The 2.8D can be coaxed to 34mpg - 38 mpg if you want to be obsessive - 26 mpg IYDGAF.

Given depreciation is the biggest cost of motoring it’s all acedemic.

No way I’ve swap the pure diesel lC250 for a petrol hybrid or diesel hybrid.
 
UK Diesel now £1.958 a litre = £8.90 a Uk gallon

FYI that’s $9.85 in US gallons/$.

The 2.8D can be coaxed to 34mpg - 38 mpg if you want to be obsessive - 26 mpg IYDGAF.

Given depreciation is the biggest cost of motoring it’s all acedemic.

No way I’ve swap the pure diesel lC250 for a petrol hybrid or diesel hybrid.
I wish we could get the 2.8D in the USA. Damn chicken tax.. 😖
 
I echo this sentiment. Diesels are utilitarian and efficient; they serve a purpose that works well for some people, especially those who drive long distances or tow. I understand some don't like the noise, and for a daily driver to putter around town, they aren't ideal. But...

...One huge problem in the USA now are the emissions standards requiring DPFs, EGR, and DEF (urea fluid). These systems have robbed good designs of the reliability, durability, and the last semblance of simplicity these engines had. As a driver of a few diesels in the past, I would not recommend a modern American diesel to anyone unless they drive mostly highway miles or need the torque for towing/hauling. To properly regen and clean the DPF requires enough highway miles to run the cycle sufficiently. If you want more than 200K miles from one of these modern diesels, you'll likely need to delete the emissions (illegal). Folks who have taken their diesels that far without a delete are few and far between. 99% of people who aren't regularly towing are better off with a gasoline engine. They're cheaper to buy and far cheaper to maintain. It's really sad what's happened to the industry.

Getting rid of the chicken tax by itself won't be enough. If they rolled that back along with the emissions regulations, I'll take a diesel all day, especially a Toyota one.
Looks like that might be happening.. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
 
I have owned two modern turbo diesel cars (a BMW and a Renault) and I am perfectly aware of their driving dynamics. The issue is that Toyota LC diesel is only rated ~200 hp and most American consumers would find it underpowered. If Toyota had a 250-300 hp diesel it would be a different story. Toyota should partner with BMW like they did for the Supra to get some of the excellent BMW diesels. The Toyota one is a non-starter.
The BMW diesel did perform well, till the DEF tanks failed and it costs you several thousand dollars to repair. German engineering at its most foolish. It was a blatant design defect yet , in typical german fashion, they dragged their feet on the recall for 6yrs....I dumped mine at ~82k miles because I knew failure was eminent 3 months prior to the recall....and of course, those propeller shafts poking thru passenger floorboards was ignored also. No more german crap for me. Done with that Koolaid.
 
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Diesel light duty engines aren’t an easy thing to bring to market in the US. Toyota is very risk averse company - betting that’s one reason why they’re so profitable. Not every Hino diesel engine can just be US certified. Congress protects gas engines w/ certificates of compliance. Diesel as well, but the cost to keep up with current US political EPA swings is too risky for many companies. Last few years Chrysler hobbled a V6 diesel for RAM, so did Ford w/ F150 - I think both may already be gone. Nissan & Ford went to diesel power players (CAT, IH) early on in their basic designs. Nissan bailed on the whole Titan full size segment. It’s too expensive of a R&D risk to keep up with for the small volumes. What Tundra owner wouldn’t have considered a 3/4 ton or dually diesel if it had been offered? My 1997 7.3L Powerstroke F250 engine was virtually the same International Harvester engine in a school bus for 20 years. No way Toyota is doing the R&D expense for LD diesel even combining 4Runner, Tundra,Tacoma & LC.
 
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