Ditching my 24 Landcruiser after only 1 year

[PdxOg]

You just haven’t looked hard enough

I reached out to several dealers on the west coast.

You’re welcome to prove me wrong! If raptors were going that cheap, the forums would be blowing up and no one has reported a deal that good.

 

[teghogh]

No one is talking about west coast. Go to raptor forums and find out. You buy out of state and get it shipped for 1k

 

[PdxOg]

No one is talking about west coast. Go to raptor forums and find out. You buy out of state and get it shipped for 1k

I have spent the last 2 months looking for this one.

Again, you’re welcome to prove me wrong, show me a 2025 Ranger Raptor going for 5-6 under MSRP.

Only reports of Raptors listed for under MSRP on reddit, have said it was a bait and switch.

 

[BlueCruiser]

Actually, no it’s not. An active system with all diffs locked is superior to a reactive system using wheel braking. Toyota’s torsen setup seriously struggles transferring power unless the center differential is locked, and even requires it to be in 4lo center locked for max benefit, and with the center locked, how is the torsen superior? I honestly felt the MTS setup in my 24 4Runner was better than the Landcruiser and responded to slip better.

I have gotten my LC stuck a few times leaving it in 4hi unlocked, MTS didn’t really do squat until the center differential was locked, and even then for some reason it couldn’t figure things out until going into 4lo locked.

Multiple videos shows how disappointing the torsen setup is.

The LC 250 system has the following advantages:

• More power to a single wheel - up to 50% vs 25% with just a front locker.
• All four wheels can spin independently at different speeds
• Continuous traction control - brakes, throttle control, and traction sensors constantly detect and modulate wheel spin to maintain traction automatically faster than a human can.
• Can be used in both 4H (up to 60 MPH) or 4L where Raptor diff locks only in 4L

To summarize, in effect the LC 250 system has "automatic lockers" that work down to an individual wheel level. Philosophically, It recognizes that surface conditions mostly vary by wheel and prioritizes sending power to wheels that have traction versus wasting or bleeding power on ones that do not. It does this with a combination of mechanical and electrical controls that operate continuously at 10s/100s of times a second.

As a driver, you can disable those features by turning on lockers and accept the restrictions (No turning or driving on roads, lower speed, less power per wheel, no MTS, ATRAC, or crawl control etc.). I guess there are rare circumstances where it is beneficial for the driver to take manual control and have all wheels spin at the same speed at the same time. However, I have seen that it typically just results in digging in deeper.

Fortunately, there are other tools that can help when no wheels can get traction. They are called shovels, recovery boards, and tow straps

 

[GBee]

Couldn’t stand the hybrid engine, mine wasn’t smooth at all, when the engine shut down it felt like it was stalling out.. And it just didn’t have the performance I wanted. And totally lame it doesn’t have a front locker.

My new vehicle does!

The prado had a good run, but this one puts a smile on my face. Couldn’t turn down MSRP and top dollar trade on the Land Cruiser.

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Get want you want. Spend your $$. we only have one life. I'm like you. I dislike the on off of the engine. I'll probably keep it for 3 to 5 years , and then get something else.

 

[LcAz]

My previous 3 vehicle were F150 raptors 1 G2 and 2 G3’s with a 37pp. If you want a smooth powertrain with power and high speed off-roading (especially desert running) there isn’t a better vehicle out there. I really loved them, and it seems like the OP values this most. Unequivocally both the ranger and the F150 are inferior rock crawlers to the LC250, but having spent lots of time on the offroad trails, nobody is heavy rock crawling either raptor, and the new LC250’s that are really in the game are pretty modified, but fare pretty well. Happy the OP can get what they want, but trying to sell the ranger as superior to the LC is like trying to say a dirtbike is superior to a Harley road bike. They are not similar. There is a lot I miss about the Raptors, but for my current use the LC is superior. The jury is still out on my 250 reliability, but the ford raptors are known commodities, and I never wanted to keep mine past 75k, and had plenty of problems to nag at me all along the way. No such problems to this point with the LC…..but I certainly didn’t go to the raptors forum (where I was very active) and post that I was giving them up for the LC, and state all my reasons. Why post? Altruism? Hoping to save us all the despair of driving a car we enjoy?

 

[D-mac]

I have gotten my LC stuck a few times leaving it in 4hi unlocked, MTS didn’t really do squat until the center differential was locked, and even then for some reason it couldn’t figure things out until going into 4lo locked.

Multiple videos shows how disappointing the torsen setup is.

If you believe that the AWD "roller slip test" is an accurate test of real world performance in slippery conditions, then many Subarus also have "disappointing" AWD systems in addition to the Torsen, because they have also failed the "roller slip" test. Many other high performance and racing vehicles from multiple manufacturers have Torsen differentials.

 

[Blue Sky]

Couldn’t stand the hybrid engine, mine wasn’t smooth at all, when the engine shut down it felt like it was stalling out.. And it just didn’t have the performance I wanted. And totally lame it doesn’t have a front locker.

My new vehicle does!

The prado had a good run, but this one puts a smile on my face. Couldn’t turn down MSRP and top dollar trade on the Land Cruiser.

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Sweet whip! But gotta say...

 

[TakaraLC]

If you believe that the AWD "roller slip test" is an accurate test of real world performance in slippery conditions, then many Subarus also have "disappointing" AWD systems in addition to the Torsen, because they have also failed the "roller slip" test. Many other high performance and racing vehicles from multiple manufacturers have Torsen differentials.

Many vehicles with advanced 4WD systems fail the roller slip test under "default settings" because the manufacturer expect the user to use one of the available advance traction modes under those conditions. So the traction control these vehicles use under default settings is very conservative, leaving the more aggressive iterations to the advanced offroad modes. This makes the vehicle handle more predictably during day to day driving with default traction mode.

For example, on the video OP posted, LC fails the 3-wheel roller test when central diff is unlocked but easily passes it when the central diff is locked or when crawl control is used. Locking the central diff or using crawl does not mechanically help with 3-wheel roller test (as both front and rear diffs are still unlocked), but now LC easily passes the test since the traction control is more aggressive.

To be honest, this is not that different than why sports cars have separate traction modes for track vs day to day driving.