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[Slippers]

Hi everyone,

I have determined I can use a little more room for our cross-country trips than my '25 LC provides. I like the LC size over a Suburban or Tahoe sized vehicle due to ease of driving around town. Has anyone thought about upgrading (size) to the '27 Sequoia when it arrives? It looks like it can fit the bill with larger cargo area, especially if the rear seats can be unplugged, unbolted and removed. All thoughts will be appreciated.

Recommend taking a closer look at the cargo volume of the current sequoia and lc250. They’re pretty similar according to the Google.

Behind second row:
Lc250 46 cu ft
Sequoia 49 cu ft

Second row folded:
Lc250 82 cu ft
Sequoia 86 cu ft

Obviously if you need to use the third row then the sequoia makes sense. But you’re going up significantly in exterior size and weight in exchange for hardly any more space inside, mainly because the sequoia loses a lot of volume with the third row, battery pack and axle arrangement.

If you’re considering a sequoia but like the lc250 then look at a gx550. It has more cargo volume than the sequoia because it doesn’t have the hybrid battery pack, especially in the overtrail that also doesn’t have the third row of seats.

 

[D-mac]

I don't think it was mentioned here yet, but the 2025+ Y63 Nissan Armada II/Patrol is a 7 or 8 seat, 3 row/full sizer that has similar made in Japan build quality and off road capabilities as the LC. It has been getting a lot of positive reviews. It is likely going to be discounted compared to the Sequoia.

 

[DubDub]

I don't think it was mentioned here yet, but the 2025+ Y63 Nissan Armada II/Patrol is a 7 or 8 seat, 3 row/full sizer that has similar made in Japan build quality and off road capabilities as the LC. It has been getting a lot of positive reviews. It is likely going to be discounted compared to the Sequoia.

We looked at those too before buying our Sequoia. The interior space is definitely a more utilitarian option, and I think a lot of the little finishing pieces were better done. We were already biased toward Toyota ourselves but it is a logical contender. The one major issue with the Armada is their abysmal realized fuel efficiency. We get 18-20 city and 22-24 @70-75mph in our Sequoia. Just a data point in the large SUV segment though.

 

[D-mac]

We looked at those too before buying our Sequoia. The interior space is definitely a more utilitarian option, and I think a lot of the little finishing pieces were better done. We were already biased toward Toyota ourselves but it is a logical contender. The one major issue with the Armada is their abysmal realized fuel efficiency. We get 18-20 city and 22-24 @70-75mph in our Sequoia. Just a data point in the large SUV segment though.

It's interesting that as the vehicle gets heavier as on a 3 row SUV, the MPG advantage for a hybrid gets better, especially around town. However most buyers of these don't seem to care, as the only high MPG competition in the class would likely be the Chevy Z71 Tahoe or GMC Yukon with the Duramax diesel. Both have a good cruising range at 500+ miles (with 4WD).

 

[DubDub]

It's interesting that as the vehicle gets heavier as on a 3 row SUV, the MPG advantage for a hybrid gets better, especially around town. However most buyers of these don't seem to care, as the only high MPG competition in the class would likely be the Chevy Z71 Tahoe or GMC Yukon with the Duramax diesel. Both have a good cruising range at 500+ miles (with 4WD).

I think the Sequoia is just tuned for highway speeds too. It is definitely more aerodynamic than most of its contenders too, even when considering Lexus and Toyota counterparts. Just like the LC, if you could tap into the hybrid a bit more intentionally you’d see better city results.

 

[bigthom]

I don't think it was mentioned here yet, but the 2025+ Y63 Nissan Armada II/Patrol is a 7 or 8 seat, 3 row/full sizer that has similar made in Japan build quality and off road capabilities as the LC. It has been getting a lot of positive reviews. It is likely going to be discounted compared to the Sequoia.

This is the answer. I love Toyotas, I have had several, a 1988 FJ62, a 5th Gen 4runner...I also had a 2005 Xterra that was a perfect 4wd. People say they want a non-turbo Tacoma? Fine, get a Frontier. You want V8 grunt of a 200 series for sometimes 30-40% less? Go Armada.

Mark my words: the Y62 is where the GX was a few years back before everyone realized they were more than a wood trim delivery system. The Armadas feel premium, they drive great and the layout makes sense. They have a standard 4wd system that is predictable and dependable.

 

[DubDub]

You want V8 grunt of a 200 series for sometimes 30-40% less? Go Armada.

You lost me here… does the extra 0.1 liter make it more of a V8-like V6?

 

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Not a fan of the Nissan brand. Wife and I tried, kind of tinny and noisy.

 

[RideWithYanu]

Not a fan of the Nissan brand. Wife and I tried, kind of tinny and noisy.

Nissan have really destroyed their reputation in the US as a cheap car for people who don’t care about cars (never parked next to an Altima). But the Patrol / Armada is one of their vehicles (like the GTR / Skyline) with a great legacy.

 

[fiascogarcia]

Sequoia definitely has more room, but I would do a little research on the reported 3.4L twin-turbo V6 (V35A-FTS) engine failures that have been reported. I honestly don't know how widespread that problem is.

 

[D-mac]

This is the answer. I love Toyotas, I have had several, a 1988 FJ62, a 5th Gen 4runner...I also had a 2005 Xterra that was a perfect 4wd. People say they want a non-turbo Tacoma? Fine, get a Frontier. You want V8 grunt of a 200 series for sometimes 30-40% less? Go Armada.

Mark my words: the Y62 is where the GX was a few years back before everyone realized they were more than a wood trim delivery system. The Armadas feel premium, they drive great and the layout makes sense. They have a standard 4wd system that is predictable and dependable.

The Y63 (2025+ ) comes with a 3.5L VR twin turbo V6 (same engine family as R35 GT-R). Most reviewers will comment that it is a lot better than the Y62 and has a more premium interior than the Toyota competition.

 

[GR8Santini]

The Y63 (2025+ ) comes with a 3.5L VR twin turbo V6 (same engine family as R35 GT-R). Most reviewers will comment that it is a lot better than the Y62 and has a more premium interior than the Toyota competition.

Driven Armada NISMO version & typical Nissan smoke & mirrors. Sequoia is so much better built. Take a V35A & 10spd over Armada all day. Bet there is a great lease on the Armada.

 

[katekebo]

Before you consider the Sequoia read these the threads on tundras.com about the V35A recalls. These engine has been a total disaster with 250k being replaced. Toyota has extended the recall twice and supposedly has a solution now. But only time will tell if they were actually able to solve the problem. I wouldn't buy anything with the V35A engine for at least another 2 years.

*Official* 25TA14 (25LB14 INTERIM NOTICE) ENGINE RECALL - MY23-24 TUNDRA

For those who didn't save this information before it got nuked. RECALL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT - https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCAK-25V767-5381.pdf...

www.tundras.com

Latest recall - Engine remedy out now

Ouch [ATTACH]

www.tundras.com

The only reason Sequoia hasn't been recalled I'd because Toyota claims that the total engine failure is not a safety issue because it can (barely) move on electric power only. Good luck crawling at 20 mph to get out of harms way with an 18-wheeler barreling your way at 80 mph.

 

[GR8Santini]

Before you consider the Sequoia read these the threads on tundras.com about the V35A recalls. These engine has been a total disaster with 250k being replaced. Toyota has extended the recall twice and supposedly has a solution now. But only time will tell if they were actually able to solve the problem. I wouldn't buy anything with the V35A engine for at least another 2 years.

*Official* 25TA14 (25LB14 INTERIM NOTICE) ENGINE RECALL - MY23-24 TUNDRA

For those who didn't save this information before it got nuked. RECALL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT - https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCAK-25V767-5381.pdf...

www.tundras.com

Latest recall - Engine remedy out now

Ouch [ATTACH]

www.tundras.com

The only reason Sequoia hasn't been recalled I'd because Toyota claims that the total engine failure is not a safety issue because it can (barely) move on electric power only. Good luck crawling at 20 mph to get out of harms way with an 18-wheeler barreling your way at 80 mph.

250K engines replaced - what?
Great, another victim of the internet & hate filled forums. Owning a LC, V35A Tundra & a Tundra Hybrid I watch forums too, & appears a few folks drive a lot of hysteria on them. I’m not a bit worried.

Here’s how I look at it. Yep, about 250K engines are in the recall range & each was offered a replacement engine, while way less than 1% have actually had an issue. Rare & concerning for a problem like this w/ Toyota, but then offering those owners, most not even reporting any issues, a complete built & dressed long block (pulled from factory line) is an unheard of show of confidence to owners. NHTSA didn’t require offering engine replacements. That was Toyota offering that as a solution. Now they’ve switched to inspections. Doesn’t even compare to GM telling 600K 6.2L owners to start using 0w40 & have their oil checked @ a GM dealer only when it starts having rod knock - that’s a fiasco. If you really want to have some fun, buy a Nissan & see how they handle warranty issues.

Feel most owners buy a Toyota for reliability, and when something has gone wrong with my Toyota they’ve stood behind every one of them & eventually the issue gets corrected.

 

[ultane]

Sequoia definitely has more room, but I would do a little research on the reported 3.4L twin-turbo V6 (V35A-FTS) engine failures that have been reported. I honestly don't know how widespread that problem is.

Welcome to the asylum.

 

[bigthom]

You lost me here… does the extra 0.1 liter make it more of a V8-like V6?

I was speaking about the V8 Y62. I don't know much about the latest model. There remains a significant price difference between a 200-series and a y62 Armada with similar miles on the used market that make them attractive to someone that needs the towing. I think the Armada has a bit higher tow capacity.

I think the issue with a used armada is that many were 2WD which is so strange to me.

 

[DubDub]

I was speaking about the V8 Y62. I don't know much about the latest model. There remains a significant price difference between a 200-series and a y62 Armada with similar miles on the used market that make them attractive to someone that needs the towing. I think the Armada has a bit higher tow capacity.

I think the issue with a used armada is that many were 2WD which is so strange to me.

Comparing a 200 series to an Armada is a stretch. Maybe Sequoia to Armada of equitable year ranges… but I’m pretty sure this thread has nothing to do with later generations of either.