Looking to purchase a LC. Seen a lot of low mileage used, Are a lot of people returning it ?

[ganpaty]

I have been in the toyota family for 20 years. Love my `15 highlander, 130K Miles. It's been our road trip car and my daily driver. Looking to pass it to my daughter. Trying to decide between a 4Runner and LandCruiser.

Lately there are a lot of LCs showing up in carvana with very low milages. Wondering what gives. Are people not liking the new LCs

https://www.carvana.com/cars/filters?cvnaid=eyJmaWx0ZXJzIjp7InRhZ0lkcyI6WyIxMDMiXSwibWFrZXMiOlt7Im5hbWUiOiJUb3lvdGEiLCJwYXJlbnRNb2RlbHMiOlt7Im5hbWUiOiJMYW5kIENydWlzZXIiLCJ0cmltcyI6W119XSwibW9kZWxzIjpbXX1dfX0%3D

 

[dwight]

Hmm...tbh its really an either you love/hate it. Those search results seem to be the base/1958 model my only guess is they had buyers remorse and realized they paid a lot for some features that arent even standard on a 2025 car? Like i said, there are some who love the 1958 and think its worth it. Perfect car, but maybe it just didnt seem that way for others. Their loss lol. But thats my take

 

[D-mac]

Probably dealers have been trying to move their unsold 1958 trim inventories so they can keep getting allocated Land Cruiser trim levels from Toyota that will still sell for full MSRP. You won’t find a lot of LC trim in inventory anywhere.

 

[TimHerald]

Are the low miles ones for sale dealer demos maybe ?

 

[RobLS]

I’ve seen local dealer demos go as well as employees doing their short term leases. There was a specced out 2024 sequoia as well that was used. Asked about it and was also an employees.

 

[Jack_]

Are the low miles ones for sale dealer demos maybe ?

I'm seeing an unusual number of them too and just looking at their history, the one's I've looked at were all one owner. It is interesting.

 

[Area 51]

I have been in the toyota family for 20 years. Love my `15 highlander, 130K Miles. It's been our road trip car and my daily driver. Looking to pass it to my daughter. Trying to decide between a 4Runner and LandCruiser.

Lately there are a lot of LCs showing up in carvana with very low milages. Wondering what gives. Are people not liking the new LCs

https://www.carvana.com/cars/filters?cvnaid=eyJmaWx0ZXJzIjp7InRhZ0lkcyI6WyIxMDMiXSwibWFrZXMiOlt7Im5hbWUiOiJUb3lvdGEiLCJwYXJlbnRNb2RlbHMiOlt7Im5hbWUiOiJMYW5kIENydWlzZXIiLCJ0cmltcyI6W119XSwibW9kZWxzIjpbXX1dfX0%3D

No dealio there. You can get a NIB cheaper than that for the same model right now.

 

[LcAz]

Those are all 1958’s. Early internet reviewers of the LC raved about the 1958, and upsold on the idea that it was a great inexpensive rig to buy and build up to be the best offroad vehicle ever. No frills, no fancy electrical to go haywire. Plug and play.

Doesn’t even have swaybar disconnect, which the earliest reviewers usually didn’t point out. That is a deal breaker for serious off-roaders, and the 1958 quickly became much less desirable. Mid level is the sweet spot. Not too many of those floating around.

 

[katekebo]

I think it's similar to what happened with the FJ Cruiser in 2007.
Many people bought it because they liked the "styling", and had no clue about the difference between an off-road, body-on-frame SUV and a crossover, and never had any intentions of going off-road. 90% of people buy a car based on looks, without understanding mechanical differences, and pluses and minuses of each design. When I had a 2008 FJ Cruiser, I frequently had people commenting how much they like the styling and were surprised to learn that it doesn't handle like a Highlander, that getting in and out is not as easy as a Camry, and that fuel economy is not as good as a RAV4. They had no idea of what a locking differential or 2-speed transfer case are (or that such things even existed). They wanted the "looks" but none of the compromises that come from a heavy, body-on-frame, off-road oriented vehicle.
Now that I drive the LC I get exactly the same reactions. Funny enough, recently somebody at a gas station commented that his Hyundai Santa Fe is a more capable off-road vehicle than my LC because his Santa Fe has "electronic multi-terrain selector" instead of a "simple transfer case and locking differential".

 

[ultane]

I have been in the toyota family for 20 years. Love my `15 highlander, 130K Miles. It's been our road trip car and my daily driver. Looking to pass it to my daughter. Trying to decide between a 4Runner and LandCruiser.

Lately there are a lot of LCs showing up in carvana with very low milages. Wondering what gives. Are people not liking the new LCs

https://www.carvana.com/cars/filters?cvnaid=eyJmaWx0ZXJzIjp7InRhZ0lkcyI6WyIxMDMiXSwibWFrZXMiOlt7Im5hbWUiOiJUb3lvdGEiLCJwYXJlbnRNb2RlbHMiOlt7Im5hbWUiOiJMYW5kIENydWlzZXIiLCJ0cmltcyI6W119XSwibW9kZWxzIjpbXX1dfX0%3D

Welcome to the asylum.

 

[PDPete]

I seen posts about these listings on Carvana specifically on Reddit as well...

My best guess, since most of these are 2024s with very low miles, is that they are either previously dealer demo vehicles, or simply vehicles dealerships unloaded from their lots once the 2025s came out, and/or because they received too many and they were sitting on the lot too long. I feel like that's a lot more likely than most of these all being from folks who bought the vehicle and quickly had buyer's remorse later, and who ALL would have sold them to Carvana specifically?

Toyota may have also under-estimated the demand for the 1958 trim vs the standard LC trim...they do seem much more prevalent on the dealership lots.

But, at the same time, that page you link to has ~40 listed...seems like a lot, but is it really, when you consider they're national? (though I may just be seeing localized search results, I'm not sure).

The only thing about this that's really odd to me is that the prices for most of these listings are higher or on par with what you can get a brand new 2025 model for...so I can't image that many people are buying these particular vehicles from Carvana either.

 

[dwight]

I seen posts about these listings on Carvana specifically on Reddit as well...

My best guess, since most of these are 2024s with very low miles, is that they are either previously dealer demo vehicles, or simply vehicles dealerships unloaded from their lots once the 2025s came out, and/or because they received too many and they were sitting on the lot too long. I feel like that's a lot more likely than most of these all being from folks who bought the vehicle and quickly had buyer's remorse later, and who ALL would have sold them to Carvana specifically?

Toyota may have also under-estimated the demand for the 1958 trim vs the standard LC trim...they do seem much more prevalent on the dealership lots.

But, at the same time, that page you link to has ~40 listed...seems like a lot, but is it really, when you consider they're national? (though I may just be seeing localized search results, I'm not sure).

The only thing about this that's really odd to me is that the prices for most of these listings are higher or on par with what you can get a brand new 2025 model for...so I can't image that many people are buying these particular vehicles from Carvana either.

yeah i actually agree!

 

[Azimuth]

Funny enough, recently somebody at a gas station commented that his Hyundai Santa Fe is a more capable off-road vehicle than my LC because his Santa Fe has "electronic multi-terrain selector" instead of a "simple transfer case and locking differential".

What did you tell him? lol

 

[Jack_]

I seen posts about these listings on Carvana specifically on Reddit as well...

My best guess, since most of these are 2024s with very low miles, is that they are either previously dealer demo vehicles, or simply vehicles dealerships unloaded from their lots once the 2025s came out, and/or because they received too many and they were sitting on the lot too long. I feel like that's a lot more likely than most of these all being from folks who bought the vehicle and quickly had buyer's remorse later, and who ALL would have sold them to Carvana specifically?

Toyota may have also under-estimated the demand for the 1958 trim vs the standard LC trim...they do seem much more prevalent on the dealership lots.

But, at the same time, that page you link to has ~40 listed...seems like a lot, but is it really, when you consider they're national? (though I may just be seeing localized search results, I'm not sure).

The only thing about this that's really odd to me is that the prices for most of these listings are higher or on par with what you can get a brand new 2025 model for...so I can't image that many people are buying these particular vehicles from Carvana either.

Probably is the case.

 

[katekebo]

What did you tell him? lol

That he must be right. Some things are not worth arguing about.

 

[LandChris]

I bought one of the used 24 1958's from Carvana this month. Mostly great experience with Carvana. I loved doing the estimate for my trade and all the purchasing from my screened porch. their system is a little buggy but nothing too bad. They are very much geared toward putting people in used cars with long terms and low down payments and their system doesn't like you to deviate from that, which I did. Otherwise the purchasing and delivery process was great. I went with them over a new one because they were giving me 8k more on my trade than any Toyota dealer was. I basically got a slightly used one for what MSRP was, without the delivery fee and for 8K more down, a trade I was willing to take. I assume these used 1958's are dealer demos, influencer demo's or people taking a gamble on them being popular on Turo but not.

As for taking a gamble on a car from Carvana with all the negative review, I think buying a 6 month old Toyota with a few thousand miles versus a 10 year old Jeep Cherokee (for instance) with 90k miles is a much safer bet. All the Carvana horror stories are people buying cars that are shitty new, much less used.

 

[colfishnski]

This is not unusual for a new model of any genre, and in fact, I'd argue the number of early used sales for the LC are pretty low in comparison to most vehicles.



Toyota sold 29k LCs in 2024 and 15K LCs in the US the first quarter of this year. There's around 50k of these trucks in the wild now. I don't think the number of used listings indicate a customer satisfaction problem.

It's also of note that used prices aren't much, if any, less than haggling a good 1958 deal right now.

I've read that Toyota and Lexus are going to continue the business model of small inventories, taking down-payments for allocations, and trying to hold close to MSRP. (too bad so many Toyota dealers are scummy, all about the rediculous add ons, paint protection, inflated warranties, nitrogen tires, and all the rest of the BS) MSRP is fantastic deal for dealers without any of that, BTW.

 

[Blue Sky]

As a '58 owner, I'm stoked. But it really, really is a bare bones rig for a MSRP of ~$58k. I love that the '58 excels in off-road features, but TBH, if I wanted something that lived primarily in an urban environment, I probably would have upgraded to the LC mid or bought something else.