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Tested all three back-to-back-to-back.
Land Cruiser vs. Defender vs. Ineos Grenadier
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Hmmm, I'm definitely no expert on off-roading 4x4 technique but I found some of his approaches to features somewhat brutish and arbitrary in the selection of features.
Anyway, I'm really not qualified to opine on off-road driving techniques, after all I'm a newbie and partly watching some of this to learn exactly that so I'll move to my main critique.
My main objection to this video is his 30 second summary at the end awarding best luxury, off-road and "value" category ratings with ZERO explanation or justification for why to any of the awards... WTF! I felt like I WASTED an hour on this video...
On the other hand, if you ignore his opinion, it was worth watching the LC FE confidently go through his torn-up course (because he wrecked it with the defender and the grenadier), in my opinion better than the other 2 choices given the conditions (though the defender had 0 chance with its street tires on his 2nd try).
A bit puzzling given his investment on the LC as his personal vehicle.
In my opinion he was really trying to find a way for the Grenadier to win the off-road category as the expected winner because of its analog/manual nature (and perhaps some undisclosed incentives). Even if he f*Ed up almost every transition coming into a feature. The trade-off with such a manual vehicle (you better be on point 100% of the time), so much so, that the thing threw an error code at him and refused to lock the front differential and he struggled thereafter... Yet it still won... Cool, if he had admitted it was his f*up and explained why if driven properly it should not have struggled as much as it did with the most brutish tires, etc.
Anyway, still worth watching the FE driven thru some of this things by somebody with my level of off-roading driving skills (close to none), and survive without bogging.
Anyway, I'm really not qualified to opine on off-road driving techniques, after all I'm a newbie and partly watching some of this to learn exactly that so I'll move to my main critique.
My main objection to this video is his 30 second summary at the end awarding best luxury, off-road and "value" category ratings with ZERO explanation or justification for why to any of the awards... WTF! I felt like I WASTED an hour on this video...
On the other hand, if you ignore his opinion, it was worth watching the LC FE confidently go through his torn-up course (because he wrecked it with the defender and the grenadier), in my opinion better than the other 2 choices given the conditions (though the defender had 0 chance with its street tires on his 2nd try).
A bit puzzling given his investment on the LC as his personal vehicle.
In my opinion he was really trying to find a way for the Grenadier to win the off-road category as the expected winner because of its analog/manual nature (and perhaps some undisclosed incentives). Even if he f*Ed up almost every transition coming into a feature. The trade-off with such a manual vehicle (you better be on point 100% of the time), so much so, that the thing threw an error code at him and refused to lock the front differential and he struggled thereafter... Yet it still won... Cool, if he had admitted it was his f*up and explained why if driven properly it should not have struggled as much as it did with the most brutish tires, etc.
Anyway, still worth watching the FE driven thru some of this things by somebody with my level of off-roading driving skills (close to none), and survive without bogging.
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I was walking around Seattle and came across an Ineos showroom. So I went in to check out the latest Grenedier models.
Although very different than our LC 250, I was impressed with how they successfully deliver what they promise. If the LC 250 is a Leatherman multitool, the Grenedier is a K-bar knife.
A modern, rugged, and expensive but faithful interpretation of the classic Land Rover expedition vehicles.
Although very different than our LC 250, I was impressed with how they successfully deliver what they promise. If the LC 250 is a Leatherman multitool, the Grenedier is a K-bar knife.
A modern, rugged, and expensive but faithful interpretation of the classic Land Rover expedition vehicles.
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I have to call out the recirculating ball steering of the Grenadier.
Had this on the Jimny - a better application/execution than the Grenadier.
If the Jimny is a land yacht the Grenadier is a three masted galleon. [the Jimny was pretty good in fairness]
Inneos experiment is doomed - without military orders it can’t last.
0% APR with a 50% deposit tells you all you need to know.
Bankrupt by December?
Had this on the Jimny - a better application/execution than the Grenadier.
If the Jimny is a land yacht the Grenadier is a three masted galleon. [the Jimny was pretty good in fairness]
Inneos experiment is doomed - without military orders it can’t last.
0% APR with a 50% deposit tells you all you need to know.
Bankrupt by December?
Going by JD Power reliability ratings for 2024: With Land Rover reliability near the bottom, Ineos not even on the list, and Toyota and Lexus at the top...'nuff said.
Not only that, the stock Ineos Trialmaster he mentioned has an MSRP is $86,900, less HP, less torque, and gets 14 mpg on the highway or off-road...can you imagine the discussions on that fuel economy?
Not only that, the stock Ineos Trialmaster he mentioned has an MSRP is $86,900, less HP, less torque, and gets 14 mpg on the highway or off-road...can you imagine the discussions on that fuel economy?
Do forget that you have to mod the steering or the steering is weird. It steers like a boat.Going by JD Power reliability ratings for 2024: With Land Rover reliability near the bottom, Ineos not even on the list, and Toyota and Lexus at the top...'nuff said.
Not only that, the stock Ineos Trialmaster he mentioned has an MSRP is $86,900, less HP, less torque, and gets 14 mpg on the highway or off-road...can you imagine the discussions on that fuel economy?
I like the look of the Ineos, except the interior, and I wish they had gone with a different engine. A 5.0 V8 or LS would have been a better option, IMHO, but it is European so.
So, recirculating ball system used? Didn’t realize that.
It may have a theoretical advantage as to being more robust but my 100 series’ rack & pinion system served me well for over 20 years before finally replacing that original rack.
It may have a theoretical advantage as to being more robust but my 100 series’ rack & pinion system served me well for over 20 years before finally replacing that original rack.
The BMW B58 engine is no slouch though.
Yep…we had two. One built under Ford ownership was bulletproof, the second built under Tata (current owners) was a complete electrical nightmare.
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