Bike Racks (1Up Bike Rack) and Swing Aways (Rig'D Supply RambleSwing) and the Land Cruiser hitch

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I have a 1Up Bike Rack and I bought the 1Up RakAttach specifically for the Land Cruiser just before delivery. It turns out that Toyota built some extra steel around the hitch on the Land Cruiser -- which I discovered is also true of the 2024 Tacoma. I quickly discovered that the threaded bolt (pin) for the RakAttach was simply not long enough to go through the hitch. When I told 1Up about it and requested that they engineer a modified hitch pin bolt and mentioned the new 4Runner is coming too, they declined and said they had no plans and offered to take back the RakAttach. Hence, I purchased a Rig'd Supply RambleSwing. I have been following Rig'd Supply for a long time and their RambleSwing is solid.

Just for clarity, I have attached some photos of the problems that bike racks and swing aways may have with the J250 hitch (and the Tacoma and the future 4Runner?):

1. Measuring the width of the hitch steel from side to side, and
2. Showing how the RakAttach screw pin is not wide enough to fit.
3. The RambleSwing in place with the 1Up Rack.

I have had 1Up racks for several years and one of the reasons I love 1Up besides their great bike rack product is I had all of the keys and locks integrated. Now I did order the RakAttach separately so had another key, but without a pin that fits, the swing away is just unsafe, and I also cannot lock it which is one of the key points of the 1Up equipment.

The RambleSwing is solid, does not deflect or lean, and also has step on it to get to the roof. It does add another 12-1/2 inches to the length of the vehicle though, so we have a tight fit in our garage with the full bike rack on folded up. The only concern I have with the Rig'd Supply RambleSwing is, unlike the RakAttach, i can't seem to adjust the force of the latch handle, and the angle might make it difficult to close it when I have big bikes mounted on it.

As an engineer, I was pleased with 1Up which has posted drawings and measurements of all their equipment. Unfortunately, Rig'd Supply did not until I asked them about it and then called them on their support line to talk about the Land Cruiser dimensions. It turned out they sent me a pic of their RambleSwing on a Land Cruiser they were testing. Maybe it was me, but I just noticed that they have drawings with measurements on their RambleSwing product online now. Good job, Rig'd Supply!


Below: The engineered threaded bolt which acts as the pin to secure the 1Up RakAttach. This bolt was not long enough for the Land Cruiser hitch.

Measurement showing the extra steel around the Land Cruiser hitch for which 1Up had an extra long pin for the bike rack. However, they did not have a threaded bolt of rot RakAttach long enough to securely screw in and also handle their locking pin.

The Rig'd Supply RambleSwing in place. Notice that I am still using the 1Up locking hitch pins on both the bike rack and the RambleSwing!

 

[TrailWhale]

Dang. I imagine 1Up will change their tune pretty quickly when the 4Runners start rolling out and the dozens of us having issues becomes hundreds.

I had emailed them as well about the regular hitch pin on my 1Up rack, and how I was just using one of their bike wheel lock pins instead. They just said “eh that’s fine, do that”.

I’ll wait out the winter but I’d like to maybe get a swing next spring/summer.

 

[laughnpup]

Dang. I imagine 1Up will change their tune pretty quickly when the 4Runners start rolling out and the dozens of us having issues becomes hundreds.

I had emailed them as well about the regular hitch pin on my 1Up rack, and how I was just using one of their bike wheel lock pins instead. They just said “eh that’s fine, do that”.

I’ll wait out the winter but I’d like to maybe get a swing next spring/summer.

I bought that RakAttach so we would be ready to take it on our month long trip out west. The J250 took so long to come in from the port from mid-May to 10 July, that I had no time to adjust with only a one week dry run trip available, and just before that, discovered the RakAttach would not fit!

 

[LCMud]

I have a 1Up Bike Rack and I bought the 1Up RakAttach specifically for the Land Cruiser just before delivery. It turns out that Toyota built some extra steel around the hitch on the Land Cruiser -- which I discovered is also true of the 2024 Tacoma. I quickly discovered that the threaded bolt (pin) for the RakAttach was simply not long enough to go through the hitch. When I told 1Up about it and requested that they engineer a modified hitch pin bolt and mentioned the new 4Runner is coming too, they declined and said they had no plans and offered to take back the RakAttach. Hence, I purchased a Rig'd Supply RambleSwing. I have been following Rig'd Supply for a long time and their RambleSwing is solid.

Just for clarity, I have attached some photos of the problems that bike racks and swing aways may have with the J250 hitch (and the Tacoma and the future 4Runner?):

1. Measuring the width of the hitch steel from side to side, and
2. Showing how the RakAttach screw pin is not wide enough to fit.
3. The RambleSwing in place with the 1Up Rack.

I have had 1Up racks for several years and one of the reasons I love 1Up besides their great bike rack product is I had all of the keys and locks integrated. Now I did order the RakAttach separately so had another key, but without a pin that fits, the swing away is just unsafe, and I also cannot lock it which is one of the key points of the 1Up equipment.

The RambleSwing is solid, does not deflect or lean, and also has step on it to get to the roof. It does add another 12-1/2 inches to the length of the vehicle though, so we have a tight fit in our garage with the full bike rack on folded up. The only concern I have with the Rig'd Supply RambleSwing is, unlike the RakAttach, i can't seem to adjust the force of the latch handle, and the angle might make it difficult to close it when I have big bikes mounted on it.

As an engineer, I was pleased with 1Up which has posted drawings and measurements of all their equipment. Unfortunately, Rig'd Supply did not until I asked them about it and then called them on their support line to talk about the Land Cruiser dimensions. It turned out they sent me a pic of their RambleSwing on a Land Cruiser they were testing. Maybe it was me, but I just noticed that they have drawings with measurements on their RambleSwing product online now. Good job, Rig'd Supply!


Below: The engineered threaded bolt which acts as the pin to secure the 1Up RakAttach. This bolt was not long enough for the Land Cruiser hitch.

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Measurement showing the extra steel around the Land Cruiser hitch for which 1Up had an extra long pin for the bike rack. However, they did not have a threaded bolt of rot RakAttach long enough to securely screw in and also handle their locking pin.

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The Rig'd Supply RambleSwing in place. Notice that I am still using the 1Up locking hitch pins on both the bike rack and the RambleSwing!

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FYI I have the Kuat Piston Pro 2-bike version the pin is long enough the lock attaches and everything works great. It folds out and the hatch is accessible and goes up/down no problem.

 

[Dualonymous]

Does anyone know the main differences between the dirtcom and rigd options?

If you have either of these then do all the backup sensors just light up everytime you go in reverse? Does this ruin 360 cam?

 

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Does anyone know the main differences between the dirtcom and rigd options?

If you have either of these then do all the backup sensors just light up everytime you go in reverse? Does this ruin 360 cam?

I can't speak to Dirtcom, but for the Rig'd Supply Rambleswing, here is what I found: With any bike rack, you need to turn off Park Assist to keep the vehicle from automatically braking and lurching when you back up. You do this with a button on the left side of the dash and also can set it in the settings. The sensors still work and warn with yellow and red lighting on the dash for proximity on backing up. My own experience is that the Rambleswing which extends the bike rack further back by at least 12 inches makes it easier to see in the reverse camera even with bikes mounted, but also seems to allow the camera and proximity sensors to work a little better.

 

[justaprado]

I can't speak to Dirtcom, but for the Rig'd Supply Rambleswing, here is what I found: With any bike rack, you need to turn off Park Assist to keep the vehicle from automatically braking and lurching when you back up. You do this with a button on the left side of the dash and also can set it in the settings. The sensors still work and warn with yellow and red lighting on the dash for proximity on backing up. My own experience is that the Rambleswing which extends the bike rack further back by at least 12 inches makes it easier to see in the reverse camera even with bikes mounted, but also seems to allow the camera and proximity sensors to work a little better.

i have a riser from my 1up use on my Jeep - if you use this with the 1up (no swingout), does it still set off the sensors?

 

[laughnpup]

i have a riser from my 1up use on my Jeep - if you use this with the 1up (no swingout), does it still set off the sensors?

I cannot speak to having a Jeep or a riser. But for the Land Cruiser, yes, the 1Up rack without the swingout is close enough to the sensors that it will set off the warnings. With Park Assist turned off, it will still flash red and yellow and beep at you the whole time you are backing.

 

[BigMF]

I have a 1Up Bike Rack and I bought the 1Up RakAttach specifically for the Land Cruiser just before delivery. It turns out that Toyota built some extra steel around the hitch on the Land Cruiser -- which I discovered is also true of the 2024 Tacoma. I quickly discovered that the threaded bolt (pin) for the RakAttach was simply not long enough to go through the hitch. When I told 1Up about it and requested that they engineer a modified hitch pin bolt and mentioned the new 4Runner is coming too, they declined and said they had no plans and offered to take back the RakAttach. Hence, I purchased a Rig'd Supply RambleSwing. I have been following Rig'd Supply for a long time and their RambleSwing is solid.

Just for clarity, I have attached some photos of the problems that bike racks and swing aways may have with the J250 hitch (and the Tacoma and the future 4Runner?):

1. Measuring the width of the hitch steel from side to side, and
2. Showing how the RakAttach screw pin is not wide enough to fit.
3. The RambleSwing in place with the 1Up Rack.

I have had 1Up racks for several years and one of the reasons I love 1Up besides their great bike rack product is I had all of the keys and locks integrated. Now I did order the RakAttach separately so had another key, but without a pin that fits, the swing away is just unsafe, and I also cannot lock it which is one of the key points of the 1Up equipment.

The RambleSwing is solid, does not deflect or lean, and also has step on it to get to the roof. It does add another 12-1/2 inches to the length of the vehicle though, so we have a tight fit in our garage with the full bike rack on folded up. The only concern I have with the Rig'd Supply RambleSwing is, unlike the RakAttach, i can't seem to adjust the force of the latch handle, and the angle might make it difficult to close it when I have big bikes mounted on it.

As an engineer, I was pleased with 1Up which has posted drawings and measurements of all their equipment. Unfortunately, Rig'd Supply did not until I asked them about it and then called them on their support line to talk about the Land Cruiser dimensions. It turned out they sent me a pic of their RambleSwing on a Land Cruiser they were testing. Maybe it was me, but I just noticed that they have drawings with measurements on their RambleSwing product online now. Good job, Rig'd Supply!

If I am remembering correctly, RakAttach was a separate company just a few years ago. I'm guessing 1Up acquired them in 2022 based on my Googling.

I have a heavy (55lb) eBike that I carry on my 1Up which stays on year round. However, when I wanted to take it on trips where I'd need to be getting in and out of the back of the truck, I needed to get creative. I already had an old Kuat rack and the Rig'd Ultraswing that I'd used on my 200 series initially to carry the spare. I purchased an inexpensive steel rack that was designed to support a motorcycle (several hundred pounds) and got to work cutting and welding like Dr Frankstein.

I ended up with a swing-away that can support close to 300 pounds and keeps the bike tucked up much closer to the swing than if I'd just put my 1Up on the original hitch receiver that was included with the Ultraswing. I cut the arm off of the Kuat and welded it to the motorcycle rack and it does a great job of stabilizing the bike. Taht being said, for extra protection, I do wrap one of those giant Nite Ize gear ties around the frame and Ultraswing if I'm going to be going offroad and shaking things up a bit.

Below is the best picture I have of it on my 200 series in New Foundland. It may not be pretty but she is solid, swings away easily, keeps the bike higher off the ground and closer to the truck, and allows me to carry something like a 5 gallon jerry can on the reverse side of the swing. Lastly, I believe the Ultraswing also allows you to tow up to 10,000 pounds while still carrying the gear/spare tire on the swing away.

 

[BigMF]

Does anyone know the main differences between the dirtcom and rigd options?

If you have either of these then do all the backup sensors just light up everytime you go in reverse? Does this ruin 360 cam?

I believe either of these options will set off the sensors unless you have them turned off.

The 360 still works fine.

 

[laughnpup]

If I am remembering correctly, RakAttach was a separate company just a few years ago. I'm guessing 1Up acquired them in 2022 based on my Googling.

I have a heavy (55lb) eBike that I carry on my 1Up which stays on year round. However, when I wanted to take it on trips where I'd need to be getting in and out of the back of the truck, I needed to get creative. I already had an old Kuat rack and the Rig'd Ultraswing that I'd used on my 200 series initially to carry the spare. I purchased an inexpensive steel rack that was designed to support a motorcycle (several hundred pounds) and got to work cutting and welding like Dr Frankstein.

I ended up with a swing-away that can support close to 300 pounds and keeps the bike tucked up much closer to the swing than if I'd just put my 1Up on the original hitch receiver that was included with the Ultraswing. I cut the arm off of the Kuat and welded it to the motorcycle rack and it does a great job of stabilizing the bike. Taht being said, for extra protection, I do wrap one of those giant Nite Ize gear ties around the frame and Ultraswing if I'm going to be going offroad and shaking things up a bit.

Below is the best picture I have of it on my 200 series in New Foundland. It may not be pretty but she is solid, swings away easily, keeps the bike higher off the ground and closer to the truck, and allows me to carry something like a 5 gallon jerry can on the reverse side of the swing. Lastly, I believe the Ultraswing also allows you to tow up to 10,000 pounds while still carrying the gear/spare tire on the swing away.

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Very nice, compliments on your J200 in silver, and jealous of your welding skills. I also like that you lifted the rack which presumably helps with your departure angle though it looks like you added a recovery point on the end of the Ultraswing. Did you ever use the recovery point to pull anything out or get pulled? If I recall correctly, Rig'd advises against it, though their stuff is rock solid.

 

[BigMF]

Very nice, compliments on your J200 in silver, and jealous of your welding skills. I also like that you lifted the rack which presumably helps with your departure angle though it looks like you added a recovery point on the end of the Ultraswing. Did you ever use the recovery point to pull anything out or get pulled? If I recall correctly, Rig'd advises against it, though their stuff is rock solid.

Yeah, the welder was the best investment my friend ever made. Notice, I said my FRIEND. I wouldn't say I have a lot of welding skills. I wouldn't trust myself with anything that was truly critical but for the few projects I've worked on, they've been sufficient.

Specifically, for this project, I cut off the original "spare" receiver intended for bike racks that came with the Ultraswing originally and welded it up a bit higher and centered. That allowed me to use the receiver and also mod the motorcycle rack so that I also throw a couple of heavy duty bolts in 2 different spots to add some needed rigidity to the overall contraption . Next time I get everything set back up, I'll take some better pictures than the quick/dirty one below.

I did not use the recovery point and would have been hesitant about using it. Mostly, I used it to just "store" the hitch and shackle so I didn't have to carry it in the truck. If really needed to yank or get yanked, I'd probably try to take the whole rack off and insert it into the OEM receiver.